Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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XLR8 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:35 pm Your post got me curious so I went back and had another peek at my Scorcher.
It looks like I've just mirrored the decal placement from driver side to passenger side.
Not sure where I got those smaller Gumout stickers.

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Anyway, lacking any official right side boxart illustrations, we're on our own here. So, you can't do it wrong. :wink:
Yours looks good! Convinced me to go ahead with the passengers side. Will finish that tomorrow.

Not sure why my MCI-Racing Gumout decal is so large.
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Did you get your decals from MCI?

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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Yes, I bought the MCI set but I also have a stash of sticker sheet remnants going back 40+ years and some of those are from my original '80 Scorcher. That's probably where I found those Gumout decals.
Anyway, since they use only two colors, you could easily print smaller replacements.
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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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How can I print decals? You mean pay a service to do that for me?

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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GreenBar0n wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:14 pm How can I print decals? You mean pay a service to do that for me?
Well, I guess you could unless you know someone who has a color LaserJet printer.
I think you can take your files to the local Office Max/Depot and use their printers.
I've used the office printer in the past to print a sheet of scale license plates.
I'll laminate them with clear packing tape, glue them to a piece of lexan then trim to the proper size.
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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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MCI Racing sells repro decals. They’re almost perfect. They are in Canada but they ship quickly.

www.mciracing.ca

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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XLR8 wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:21 pm
GreenBar0n wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 2:14 pm How can I print decals? You mean pay a service to do that for me?
Well, I guess you could unless you know someone who has a color LaserJet printer.
I think you can take your files to the local Office Max/Depot and use their printers.
I've used the office printer in the past to print a sheet of scale license plates.
I'll laminate them with clear packing tape, glue them to a piece of lexan then trim to the proper size.

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What Laser Printer are you using, or did you use for the Blazer license plate?

I would really like to get into making my own custom decals, and stop complaining about what's available, but it would need to be really high quality. Equal to or better than MCI, or I wouldn't bother.

Brendan2904 wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 6:49 pm MCI Racing sells repro decals. They’re almost perfect. They are in Canada but they ship quickly.

www.mciracing.ca
The decal sheet that came with the larger than normal Gumout decal, is from MCI :D. I got their sheet for the Sand Scorcher, and the Rough Rider (Buggy Champ). Hopefully that's the only decal they scaled incorrectly like that.

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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It was our office printer and I honestly can't recall any details about it. Anyway, I reckon almost any color printer will do the job.
I've owned at least two cheap inkjet printers and they seem okay. I have an HP laserjet printer now but it isn't color so I'll probably go to Office Max for my color printing.
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Your license plate does look great.

I'll look in to the gloss decal sheets for color laser printers, would like to print on the good stuff if possible.



Three fried ROM chips on this Commodore SX-64, has kept me troubleshooting and researching for days now.
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Better than it was a week ago.
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Will finish the Sand Scorcher decals, and paint the interior plate tomorrow.
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Thinking black floor (shallow plate, needs to appear to be in shadow), Pearlized white seat tops and backs with airbrush, and Tamiya TS-10 French Blue seat pads and dashboard. We'll see how it turns out. Might print some passengers too.

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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GreenBar0n wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 2:28 am I'll look in to the gloss decal sheets for color laser printers, would like to print on the good stuff if possible.

Three fried ROM chips on this Commodore SX-64, has kept me troubleshooting and researching for days now.
Please tell me you're running your 3D printer with a Commodore 64... 8) 8) 8) :lol:

Laser prints are more resilient than inkjets. Inkjets require lamination especially on vinyl where the ink comes off easily. Unlaminated laser prints will wear and fade too, just not as fast. Laminating makes the decals prettier either way. With name brands no one model is better, just different features and prices. Inkjets are less expensive, laser printers require pricier paper, vinyls, transfers, etc. Plus replacing toner drums on a laser printer often costs as much as the printer.

Having said that, if you want better than MCI quality with respects to image resolution, size, etc... you can achieve that at home pretty easily.

But if you want better than MCI quality with respects to printing... that'll cost you... To print on clear vinyl you need a direct-to-film printer which are in the $1,500 and up category and require daily maintenance to keep the inks from clogging in the printer.

A lot of decals can be inkjet/laser printed on white vinyl, laminated, and nearly indistinguishable from originals, but the only way to print on clear, like factory decals, is DTF because injet/laser printers can't print white... so everything ends up translucent.

Best of both worlds is designing the decals yourself then having any online DTF decal shop print them. It'll cost less than MCI and the print quality will be far superior to ink/laser printers.

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Another option for making custom decals and graphics is to use a vinyl cutter. A downside is the vinyl can be a little thicker than typical decal stock so probably not what you'll want for your small Gumout stickers. It works okay for larger one or two color decals.


Since this was an unlicensed body, I've made the Ivan Stewart 1, Ultra Custom Wheels, MacPherson and Toyota decals from vinyl.
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Dangeruss wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:59 am Please tell me you're running your 3D printer with a Commodore 64... 8) 8) 8) :lol:

Laser prints are more resilient than inkjets. Inkjets require lamination especially on vinyl where the ink comes off easily. Unlaminated laser prints will wear and fade too, just not as fast. Laminating makes the decals prettier either way. With name brands no one model is better, just different features and prices. Inkjets are less expensive, laser printers require pricier paper, vinyls, transfers, etc. Plus replacing toner drums on a laser printer often costs as much as the printer.

Having said that, if you want better than MCI quality with respects to image resolution, size, etc... you can achieve that at home pretty easily.

But if you want better than MCI quality with respects to printing... that'll cost you... To print on clear vinyl you need a direct-to-film printer which are in the $1,500 and up category and require daily maintenance to keep the inks from clogging in the printer.

A lot of decals can be inkjet/laser printed on white vinyl, laminated, and nearly indistinguishable from originals, but the only way to print on clear, like factory decals, is DTF because injet/laser printers can't print white... so everything ends up translucent.

Best of both worlds is designing the decals yourself then having any online DTF decal shop print them. It'll cost less than MCI and the print quality will be far superior to ink/laser printers.
The c64 can do some interesting things these days, guys are still developing for this to push the hardware farther than it could be back then. Can now remotely control the SX-64, with a full media library from a PC :D.


I plan to use the 3-voice synthesizer for 8-bit music.
Can even connect a guitar :lol:



Thanks for the info on Direct to Film! I was trained and certified to fix Ricoh, Gestener, Savin, Sharp, and OCE copiers/faxes, way back in the 1900's, in my early 20's :lol:, had some crazy experiences both with the machines back then, and the places a 'copier guy' is allowed to go, or needed at.

Might look at getting an older film printer at some point, would be nice to find an older one to refurb for cheap, if the consumable parts are still available for it.

Probably just leave the large Gumout decal on there and forget about it.

Thanks again!

XLR8 wrote: Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:26 am Another option for making custom decals and graphics is to use a vinyl cutter. A downside is the vinyl can be a little thicker than typical decal stock so probably not what you'll want for your small Gumout stickers. It works okay for larger one or two color decals.


Since this was an unlicensed body, I've made the Ivan Stewart 1, Ultra Custom Wheels, MacPherson and Toyota decals from vinyl.
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Nice! We wore that game out in the arcade.
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The Cricut does make nice masks, your Tamiya Grand Hauler is more proof of that, the Ivan Stewart truck is great!

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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Got the floorboard painted.
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Finally solved the mystery of the larger decals.
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There are two sheets that MCI sells for the Sand Scorcher. The sheet on the left is Sand Scorcher specific, and that's where I took the larger Penzoil, Simpson, and Gumout from.
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The common sheet has the small Gumout, Penzoil and Simpson decals, the matching other one is for the Rough Rider project.
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Here's why this was all so confusing after 45 years.

Vintage box art:

Notice the Gumout, Penzoil, Simpson, and 506 decals are smaller, and the Auto Haus on the front fender is larger.
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The entire K&N decal fits under the door handle.
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And then there is the well known box art version, with the larger 506 and Penzoil.
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The Tamiyabase demo car matches the box art above.
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The version above is the one the 2010 Reissue modeled itself after, but with royalty free 'sponsor' decals.
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The MCI sheets provide for both box art versions. But still not sure where the larger Gumout would've been used, as it was on the Sand Scorcher specific sheet, not the common sheet.

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The guitar sounds like something from Castlevania, cool stuff.

Speaking of castles... so many quarters spent at Aladdin's Castle playing Super Off Road... worth every penny.

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Re: Tamiya Sand Scorcher - 2010 Reissue

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A nice bit of detective work there. Thanks for posting the details.

I don't recall seeing the small 506 as shown on the original box cover.

FWIW, here are the decal sheet remnants from my original kit circa 1980:
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I don't believe a smaller version of 506 was included.
Perhaps the production decal sheets were changed after the box cover artwork was created.
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Dangeruss wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 9:30 am The guitar sounds like something from Castlevania, cool stuff.

Speaking of castles... so many quarters spent at Aladdin's Castle playing Super Off Road... worth every penny.
That's a serious level-up, using a guitar :lol:

Are you a game collector, or a MAME user? Let me know if you need any of those old ROM's, been collecting for decades. Have all the console ROM's too, even ADAM for ColecoVision :oops:.


XLR8 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:04 am A nice bit of detective work there. Thanks for posting the details.

I don't recall seeing the small 506 as shown on the original box cover.

FWIW, here are the decal sheet remnants from my original kit circa 1980:
SS Decal sheet 1.jpg
SS Decal sheet 2.jpg
I don't believe a smaller version of 506 was included.
Perhaps the production decal sheets were changed after the box cover artwork was created.
Very cool seeing your vintage decal sheets! Do you still have the box too?
https://tamiyabase.com/?option=com_joodb&view=article&joobase=18&id=15&Itemid=1041

Someone made a 1:1 Sand Scorcher, and used those same small decals.
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