Vintage Racing, what is original and OK upgrade?

[klavy69]

If you believe it, it can happen.

I don't believe . Not that I matter but the powers to be *cough scr8p cough* might have issue with that

Todd

[scr8p]

I know one thing. If you want a race with absolutely nothing but vintage electronics, have fun running against the only other person that shows up.

We had this discussion after the first vintage nationals. I don't think there were more than 2 people besides myself that were remotely interested.

[tamiyadan]

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[tamiyadan]

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[scr8p]

You can mandate it, people just won't show.

Lipo and brushless just makes it to easy. Much less hassle, and gives you a lot more time to just hang out......... Unless you're running 4 classes.

[R Cane]

You can mandate it, people just won't show.

It's a damn shame. If it were close enough to me geographically, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

[Hcp22]

Hanging out and have fun is Erich’s big ide with VONats, isn’t it? The competition is secondary.

[matt1ptkn]

You can mandate it, people just won't show.

It's a damn shame. If it were close enough to me geographically, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

If it were close to me, I'd be there as well. I would prefer, and probably run, the more old school electronics, or at least brushed motors. Lipos are a technological wonder, however. But I can make a brushed motor compete with brushless. It can be a lot more work, as has been mentioned. But I enjoy that part of it, too. But it is an RTR and brushless kind of world now. Not that there's anything wrong with it!

[Hcp22]

If it were close to me, I'd be there as well.

Couldn’t be more than an 7-8 hour drive to the track

[makoman1860]

Im sure this has been brought up, but has anyone considered a points system where the vintage of the electronics etc counts as much as the finishing position? Example a car that is completely 1995 or earlier vintage, every bit of electronics and all starts at 100 points. Dock 20 points for Lipo, 20 points for brushless, 10 points for modern radio, 20 points for non era tires, 10 points for non era shocks. Something of that order might encourage the authentics and the hybrids to race together and actually have a real points competition. An original design car finishing mid pack might beat out a modded up car finishing first? Just an idea.

P.S. oh and bring the races back to 4 minutes...........

[tamiyadan]

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[RCveteran]

Can you even make the knobby tires of 1989 stick to a modern track without shaving them bald effectively making them a modern tire.

[makoman1860]

If you are going to run a vintage race.....it seems only fitting to run a loose dirt track. Otherwise honestly I don't see the point. The driving was different, because the track was different. Pushing a motor and battery to the brink was not as big a concern on those loose tracks, heck you could barely use the power you had. There was very little of a groove to get settled in, every turn was different every lap, and you had to be nimble on the sticks (or wheel) to keep on course. That 4 minute race seemed a lot longer. I cant imagine running an 8 minute race on that style track.....

[RCveteran]

Good point. I have always been an average driver at best but those old tracks introduced randomness that gave me a better chance. My groove is a bit slow to follow a perfect blue groove.

[Groomi]

Im sure this has been brought up, but has anyone considered a points system where the vintage of the electronics etc counts as much as the finishing position? Example a car that is completely 1995 or earlier vintage, every bit of electronics and all starts at 100 points. Dock 20 points for Lipo, 20 points for brushless, 10 points for modern radio, 20 points for non era tires, 10 points for non era shocks. Something of that order might encourage the authentics and the hybrids to race together and actually have a real points competition. An original design car finishing mid pack might beat out a modded up car finishing first? Just an idea.

P.S. oh and bring the races back to 4 minutes...........

In the UK we have an annual revival race meeting. Iys been going a couple of years now and is really popular.

In the first year they awarded nostalgia points exactly as you describe. The problem was how to police it throughout the event. For example, I turned up with fully retro gear except for nimh packs instead of nicad. After a couple of rounds it was obvious I was having interference issues on the back straight that was making it almost impossible to do a clean lap. I therefore changed to a 2.4ghz system like many others. Unless the cars are scrutineered before every round (impractical) how can that be picked up?

I now personally run with brushed motors and nimh for my 80's cars where absolute power and lightweight aren't so useful, and brushless with lipo in my 90's cars just to be competitive. It seems a nice balance to me.