Philosophical question about what vintage is.

[cunawarit]

Actually.... Tamiya re-releases.... Vintage? Or not?

[RedScampi]

This on the other hand is NOT a vintage car:



Even if it had a steel body the independent suspension, the no doubt fuel injected motor under the hood, etc, etc, etc... Makes it in my most humble opinion not in any way vintage

Well, they still let them into vintage car shows...

[GoMachV]

I like the urban dictionary definition

Vintage

(Adj.) An excuse to jack up the prices of old crap by 500%.

[cunawarit]

Well, they still let them into vintage car shows...

Because they are still cool I wouldn't object to seeing that at a vintage car show. Heck, I wouldn't object to seeing a Nissan Skyline drifter either!

[markbt73]

Actually.... Tamiya re-releases.... Vintage? Or not?

Not. They're like the reproduction band T-shirts for sale at Target; a cool and affordable way to re-live the past, but they're not the real thing, and whether anybody else knows it or not, you know it.

Here's a question: where's the age cutoff? And if originality counts, what if it's something really original, but mundane? Like, for example, my own beloved Toyota truck:



When the 2013 models come out next month, it will be 25 model years old. It's original except for the side mirrors and the radio. I'm the third owner, and I have all the paperwork on it, even the original window sticker from when it was new. It's old... but is it vintage? It would most likely look out of place at a classic car show today, but what about in 10 years? 20?

[cunawarit]

Here's a question: where's the age cutoff? And if originality counts, what if it's something really original, but mundane? Like, for example, my own beloved Toyota truck:



When the 2013 models come out next month, it will be 25 model years old. It's original except for the side mirrors and the radio. I'm the third owner, and I have all the paperwork on it, even the original window sticker from when it was new. It's old... but is it vintage? It would most likely look out of place at a classic car show today, but what about in 10 years? 20?

As you said age is intrinsically linked to coolness/rarity in terms of deciding if something is vintage or not. You love your Toyota, and there's probably a small group of people out there who would like it to. But it doesn't exactly have mass appeal.

There are newer cars than your Toyota which will have more of a mass appeal, let's say a Porsche 993. Which a lot of people think is sort of the cool older 911 to own.

As to when will it not look out of place at a classic car show... who knows... it depends when it gets to be rare enough on the roads I guess, and if it is absolutely pristine or not

[GoMachV]

Well, I think "vintage" should have a date with it, like "1985 vintage" cause then there is a reference. The word vintage is seemingly misused more often than not (go figure!) Lol

[cunawarit]

Well, I think "vintage" should have a date with it, like "1985 vintage" cause then there is a reference. The word vintage is seemingly misused more often than not (go figure!) Lol

Where did you get the year 1985 from?

It isn't bad, because in terms of cars anything that old will look substantially different to anything current and will be quite rare. Even really really boring cars from 1985 if pristine would look OK at a classic car show I reckon. Man, I used to have a 1985 VW Golf that got wrecked by a drunk driver, wish I still had it

[Charlie don't surf]

My 7 year old and I put our 84' Supra in the lineup at a local cruise in last night and my son had been looking forward to it all week

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and was almost in tears when everyone surrounded the 88' IROC and the 91' TA in our lane, but scoffed at the "jap car"

Can't imagine why that scene will die with that generation-

[GoMachV]

I can't define it any better as it is very subjective. But I will say this, I get irritated when I see a "vintage" Cen car on eBay, or a "vintage B4" even. To a racer I guess a B4 might be vintage but one version old to me is not "vintage".


Nice Supra! Had a friend in school with one

[THUNDERSTRIKE1]

And just think the RC10 is 28 years old and has been reinvented into so many classes and styles of racing so its a Vintage Antique?Don

[cunawarit]

My 7 year old and I put our 84' Supra in the lineup at a local cruise in last night and my son had been looking forward to it all week and was almost in tears when everyone surrounded the 88' IROC and the 91' TA in our lane, but scoffed at the "jap car"

Can't imagine why that scene will die with that generation-

Dude! That's really harsh, mean, and horrible! Sorry that happened to you and your son. And this is coming from an IROC-Z owner!!! My IROC:



I know it is no consolation, but as an American car driver in Europe we sometimes get the same level of childish elitism from some people here directed at us.