rc10 dogbone question w/ pic

[scr8p]

let me ask you this. i race dirt oval. if the car is pushing going into the corner, you go up on the rf collar, making it softer, and it allows the car to get into the corner better. if the car is loose getting it, you go down on the rf collar to tighten it up, making it stiffer, and it get into the corner better. if your loose off the corner, you go up on the rr collar, softening the spring, to gain bite coming off. if your tight coming off, you go down on the rr collar, stiffening the spring, to loosen the car for a better drive off.

so, are you telling me i've been doing this wrong for the past 15 years? i don't think so.

[sk7]

so you guys are telling me all these,different things, i think i should put a spacer on the shock,keep it on the second hole on the lower arm, and a skinner spacer on the trans.

[scr8p]

you need a spacer in the outdrive that is half the with you put in there. once the spacer is in there it should be flush with the slots in the outdrive, closest to the trans.

as for the shocks, in "my" personal opinion, if you don't feel like taking the shock apart, move it to the outside hole on the a-arm. if the shocks need to be rebuilt anyway, add whatever amount of spacers you need to on the inside of the shock to get your clearance issue solved.

[Asso_man!]

let me ask you this. i race dirt oval. if the car is pushing going into the corner, you go up on the rf collar, making it softer, and it allows the car to get into the corner better. if the car is loose getting it, you go down on the rf collar to tighten it up, making it stiffer, and it get into the corner better. if your loose off the corner, you go up on the rr collar, softening the spring, to gain bite coming off. if your tight coming off, you go down on the rr collar, stiffening the spring, to loosen the car for a better drive off.

so, are you telling me i've been doing this wrong for the past 15 years? i don't think so.

dirt oval is specific race of course, you are always cornering in the same direction...

[scr8p]

dirt oval is specific race of course, you are always cornering in the same direction...

that's true, but i used the same concept when i raced off road. if the car pushed going into the corner, i'd come up on both front collars to soften the spring, and down to tighten the car up if it was loose going in. if it was loose coming off, i'd come up on both rear collars, tight, i'd move them down.

[Northy]

Well we don't race dirt oval here in the UK, so I've never done it.

I race offroad, and everyone I know (Including 2wd world champ, other worlds A and Euro A finalists) fit different springs to alter the spring rate, and use the shock collars to set ride height only.

But whatever works for you.

I will say though that I rarely change ride height to adjust steering, as altering ride height changes soooooo many other things too.

G

[Asso_man!]

Sorry, but I do agree with Northy...

[Asso_man!]

This is from the R/C Handbook, by Scott Guyatt: http://download.teamassociated.com/pdf/RC_HandbookV2.pdf#search=%22r%2Fc%20hanbook%22

[scr8p]

Sorry, but I do agree with Northy...

i wasn't looking for anyone to agree with me. i feel that if someone is going to tell you that your wrong, the least they could is explain there reason, too. not just say "i don't think so". but hey, i'll admit, i was wrong in my description of the use of the collar, according to what you posted. for running off-road anyways. so, i guess the customary "i told you so" is in order? dirt oval racing is a different animal. you use the collar to add or decrease pre-load on the spring, not for the purpose of ride height.

[Asso_man!]

and now I totally agree with you too

[Northy]

Sorry, but I do agree with Northy...

i wasn't looking for anyone to agree with me. i feel that if someone is going to tell you that your wrong, the least they could is explain there reason, too. not just say "i don't think so". but hey, i'll admit, i was wrong in my description of the use of the collar, according to what you posted. for running off-road anyways. so, i guess the customary "i told you so" is in order? dirt oval racing is a different animal. you use the collar to add or decrease pre-load on the spring, not for the purpose of ride height.

Sorry, I would have typed more but I was eating my breakfast and was nearly late for work!

G

[Jack Smash]

let me ask you this. i race dirt oval. if the car is pushing going into the corner, you go up on the rf collar, making it softer, and it allows the car to get into the corner better. if the car is loose getting it, you go down on the rf collar to tighten it up, making it stiffer, and it get into the corner better. if your loose off the corner, you go up on the rr collar, softening the spring, to gain bite coming off. if your tight coming off, you go down on the rr collar, stiffening the spring, to loosen the car for a better drive off.

so, are you telling me i've been doing this wrong for the past 15 years? i don't think so.

It's not that you are making the springs softer or stiffer, what you are feeling is the change in cross weight of the car. When Lower the RF collar to give the car more push, what you are doing is putting more weight on the Left Rear corner allowing that tire to drive the car straighter. All changes of ride height via spring collars effect the opposite corner of the car.

Spring collars only effect the stiffness of the spring felt on that corner if the suspension is bottomed out. Lets say the right front weighs 1lb, you have the ride height set at 1/8" and the spring compresses 1/2". If you move the collar down 1/8", you didnt make the spring any stiffer, the car will just ride higher, the spring will still be compressed 1/2".