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Armour For A Samurai

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So recently I got hold of a car I always wanted but avoided getting because of the reputation of their fragility , the Marui Samurai , In my mind they are one of the nicest looking cars from the 80's and when I decided to get one I was sort of resigned to never really driving it.
When it arrived it looked like this .
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Looked good but after some study I found a couple of problems , the outer bearing seat one the axle for the rear chain sprocket was half broken away :cry: the previous owner had just glued the bearing in :shock: , the second thing was more minor , the rear upper shock mounts on the chassis were intact but had white stress marks around them :( .
This obviously led to a complete strip down to check it all over , there were no other problems but my mind was turning now , I 3D printed a repair piece for the gearbox bearing seat and ordered a replacement from Shapeways .
The stress marks on the shock mounts was something I'd already thought of a fix for , I drilled right through the mount and chassis behind both sides , M3 tapped the holes and fed a piece of M3 studding through both mounts .
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This should reinforce the shock mounts nicely . Once I'd done that it dawned on me that I'd started preparing it to drive without even thinking about it :lol:
The next weak point to address was the other major fragile spot in the car , the rear gearbox mountings , you often see them with either broken mountings on the chassis or shattered gearboxes , there are a few reasons for this , firstly the bottom of the gearbox is lower than the chassis and likely to be hit and secondly the back of the gearbox is where the heatsink and mounting for the resistor for the mechanical speed controller sits , this heatsink structure is ridged and any rear impact will be passed through the heatsink and straight into the gearbox .
So this is what i came up with .
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Its 2mm Kydex , it smooths the under gearbox area so it won't catch impacts and I added a rear bumper to cushion rear impacts .
Although the original tires were in nice shape they had hardened , the previous owner had thankfully only very lightly glued them on , enough for the shelf so they were easy enough to remove without damaging them , I replaced them with some Kyosho Optima RE RE tires .
I'm now waiting on a set of ball bearings and it should be good to go .
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It's nice any time a vintage Marui rises from the dead! They sure weren't made to last...or even to run, for that matter. :lol:
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Gav, always wanted one! but the price was too high and not knowing how to print parts put an axe on any hope...your right that they are iconic looking 80s nostalgia...cant wait till u finish it and report how it drives. Those super soft Optima rere tires are gonna help. You can compare it to your Hotshot for a good reference point
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There was quite a lot I didn't know about the Samurai before actually handling one , the front suspension is a torsion bar system and its fully adjustable with a sliding adjuster at the rear , you can see the slotted hole and screw in the vertical chassis member in this picture.
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Its also got 3 diffs , all geared diffs but the mid diff has a tensioner so you can tighten the mesh for a crude limited slip action ! not sure I'm going to try that as it sounds like its going to cause the gears pain and eventual death but back in the day with easy access to spares would have been a different matter .
Quite a lot of the screws that you might have expected on a Tamiya to be self tappers are M3 and have captive nuts and that's a nice touch for easy maintenance .
Its all quite an odd mix of good and bad design , some of it is just plain poorly thought out or not robust but then some of it is really elegant and well executed , its almost like two groups designed it !
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I think I can generalize some characteristics of most Marui cars from back-in-the-day...they ran and performed very well relative to their higher-priced counterparts, but it seems each model had its own brain-fart design flaws, and all of them were fragile. Example: The Galaxy RS was cheaper than the Frog, but popularity notwithstanding, the Galaxy was a better-designed car and drove better. My bro had a Galaxy and I had the Frog, I thought I had the better car but it always seemed his Galaxy would outrun me...and that was even after I bought a bunch of mods to upgrade the Frog, while his Galaxy was kept stock.
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Dadio wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:13 am Its all quite an odd mix of good and bad design , some of it is just plain poorly thought out or not robust but then some of it is really elegant and well executed , its almost like two groups designed it !
Now i want one even more! 3 diffs and a torsion bar...might be my new favorite
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This is one of the weaknesses I mentioned earlier , its the bearing seat for the rear sprocket axle .
This picture shows the original gearbox that I repaired and the Shapeways one that arrived today , I'm pointing to the bearing seats , the right hand one is the Shapeways one and the bearing seat is really thin like the original , personally if I'd modelled it up I'd have made it thicker rather than perpetuating the weakness .
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This one is of the inside of the gearboxes and there is Space to fit an additional bearing to give it extra support but they didn't do it , the hole is tapered so you can't fit one as standard ?
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I took an end mill and cut in the seat for a bearing .
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Why Marui didn't do this I simply don't understand ?
This shows the repair i did and how much of the bearing seat had broken off .
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The flip side is shown in this picture , there are hexagonal brass threaded inserts in the gearbox used for the chassis mounts on the gearbox and the gearbox is held together with M3 screws and captive nuts , so there is real quality engineering in exactly the same gearbox ?
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The bearings arrived today so I set to and put em in , little fiddly as the small bushings were slightly narrower than the ballbearings so diff shimming needed adjusting and there were a pair of sleeves that the mid diff bearings needs to freely slide on to adjust the diff and the new bearings were tight on the sleeves so the sleeves needed a little sanding to slide freely , the 3d printed gear case from Shapeways fitted really well , I might have sounded a little Down on it earlier but it's a perfect copy of the original , I did fit a reinforcement piece on straight away to prevent it breaking in the future .
So now all I need do is glue the tires on and install electrics and it's ready to drive :D
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I literally just started giggling thinking about driving it :shock:
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The people want a driving report!....at least the 60 that voted anyway
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tires glued on , now fitting esc and rx
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She's hot t trot after I wasted an hour on a dumb ass mistake , I planned for now to use the servo that came with it but it failed to work and I spent an hour stripping it down to change it then I noticed the position of the + wire was wrong , swapped the wires in the plug and it works.... Dow ! Another hour to rebuild and now it's night and pitch dark :( I'll be like the birthday boy tomorrow morning :lol:
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Thats a pisser :lol: I have done it
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Either "great minds think alike " or " fools seldom differ " ! :wink:
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She had her maiden run and it all went very smoothly , need to centre the steering servo horn as i ran out of trim trying to go straight but that's small potatoes , the transmission is very smooth and for a chain drive its quite quiet as well , it steers well at most speeds but its asymmetric track rods straight of the servo horn make it a little primitive (as it should) , its reasonably quick for a silver can motor but not anything special , handling wise its quite rear heavy with a tendency to oversteer .
I got some video of it running but it might not play straight away until YouTube decide its not porn :lol: .
https://youtu.be/OkuKtpx4RnU
https://youtu.be/3LUuH5fFo_8
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