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Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:47 pm
by radioactivity
Getting this away from the "what is it thread"
I may have finally figured out who built these cars. ParDelBolTr Llc.
Edit: Or maybe "Magic Touch" more likely
The original car
Totally stripped to bare chassis
So far-
Chassis with old glue and double sided tape remnants… cleaned
Missing screws… replaced
Dirt caked in all bearings… cleaned
Greasy and dirty diff and thrust bearing… cleaned
Front corner of chassis smashed… repaired
Bent front axle… straightened
Tie rods… replaced
Cracked front wheel and bad front tires… on their way
Still need to address T-bar and cracked graphite axle…
Anybody recognize the axle? Or have an idea how to find a reasonably priced replacement?
Then a body…
Been checking Ebay etc, so far no luck.
Chuck
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:22 pm
by Frankentruck
That motor pod seems way too narrow. All those spacers on the axle don't seem quite right.
This looks like the rear pod you have.
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Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:21 pm
by radioactivity
I agree that the motor mount/axle pod is quite small for a 1/10 scale.
I think, like other early cars, parts weren't as proprietary as today.
The extra axle length past the bearing may have contributed to the broken axle shaft.
But yes, you are also correct, at least the pod is still available @ Parma
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- parma snip.JPG (14.62 KiB) Viewed 2080 times
The small pod also contributes to why finding the correct axle will be a chore.
The car isn't apparently one of a kind however.
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Chuck
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:52 pm
by Phin
The pod is narrow because it was originally from Parma's 1/12 Euro Panther. The same pod was used on the 1/10 Sprint, Funny Car and Hemi cars but the 1/10 Parma Pro Panther had it's own wider rear pod.
I thought the axle would be the same as the one's used on Bolink, Hyperdrive, and Delta cars but I just measured the ones I have and the section between the diff plate and threaded end are slightly shorter at ~1 1/8".
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:14 pm
by radioactivity
Thanks Phin
Your measurement is so close in length to what I have I will double check.
This may require a hub with set screw and a more universal axle?
Looking at the thrust bearing, it appears as though I need at least the 1.25". I could probably have slightly (1/16-1/8") more without any interference.
Are any of your axles close to the same overall length?
Chuck
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:54 pm
by Phin
Unfortunately mine are either shorter or longer. You might be able to use a RC10L axle, which are about 1 3/8" long, by adding a spacer between the nut and the diff hub.
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:02 pm
by RC10th
Check with IRS if they are still around.
The pro panther pod although simple in design was beautiful...
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:16 pm
by Phin
An IRS axle wouldn't be period correct.
I've never had one in hand so I ain't 100% sure, but I think Trinity EV10 axles were shorter than a 10L, but longer than a HD/Delta axle. They might be the right size, and would look right.
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:44 pm
by RC10th
The majority of IRS axles were yellow in color, but if he just wants a cheap axle to get going it might be an option.
His axle looks fairly early as it seems the spur gear hub is machined into the plate instead of being a seperate bearing.
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:02 am
by juicedcoupe
I'll try to remember to measure the axle on my Parma Goodtimes kit tomorrow (night shift). They still show as available from Parma.
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:18 am
by radioactivity
RC10th wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:44 pm
The majority of IRS axles were yellow in color, but if he just wants a cheap axle to get going it might be an option.
His axle looks fairly early as it seems the spur gear hub is machined into the plate instead of being a seperate bearing.
My assumption on the approximate age would be 1985-1989.
Probably should have included this pic to show the rest of the hub/spindle/thrust assembly.
The other spur gear hub, behind the spur gear, is bonded to the axel.
There are no bearings contained within the shown aluminum hub assembly other than the ball diff on one end and thrust on the very end of the axle.
I think this may be what you are referring to.
Chuck
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:19 am
by radioactivity
juicedcoupe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:02 am
I'll try to remember to measure the axle on my Parma Goodtimes kit tomorrow (night shift). They still show as available from Parma.
Thanks
That would be great
Chuck
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:23 am
by juicedcoupe
This is the rear assembly instructions for the Sport Truck.
The #12 item is nylon spacers. The number of spacers used varied with different Goodtime models.
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:39 am
by Phin
radioactivity wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:18 am
My assumption on the approximate age would be 1985-1989.
Probably should have included this pic to show the rest of the hub/spindle/thrust assembly.
parma axle.3.JPG
The other spur gear hub, behind the spur gear, is bonded to the axel.
There are no bearings contained within the shown aluminum hub assembly other than the ball diff on one end and thrust on the very end of the axle.
I think this may be what you are referring to.
Chuck
That looks like a Parma Pro Panther 10 hub...which raises the question of why did whoever make your car go with the narrower 1/12 Parma pod if a wider 1/10 pod (w/ ride height adjustment) was also available?
Anyway I'd estimate the age of your car being 1988-89. Prior to '87, 1/10 on-road was either the Bolink class, or converted buggies, and the Vicfor front beam plus Parma hub would have been available in 1988. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if your car turned out to be an early prototype for Art Carbonell's Vicfor pan cars.
Re: Mutt Inator10 VRF
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:13 pm
by juicedcoupe
juicedcoupe wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:02 am
I'll try to remember to measure the axle on my Parma Goodtimes kit tomorrow (night shift). They still show as available from Parma.
The Parma axle is too short.
The thrust side is 15/16" from the spur locating hub to the threads. Axle OAL is 5 5/8".