When is an Associated a Traxxas?

[juicedcoupe]

How the heck did you figure this out?

I'd like to say that my brain just works like that.

But that just makes me weird, or maybe "special".

[Brendan2904]

My opinion and my opinion only, when you change the chassis it becomes the make of the chassis.

Funny story.

I was at a hobby shop, not too far away, but too far to visit all the time they’re kind of a “when I’m in the area” visit if you get what I mean. Especially since sometimes they have some nicer used projects sometimes. I was up there and was looking looking at a used stryker and a used falcon. The helper there was showing me a wild Willy and it was very odd that the wild Willy had a weird looking chassis to it. Then he tells me it was a Mauti big bear chassis that he modded for the Wild Willy. I just looked at it and I said well then it’s a big bear not a Wild Willy, so yeah. Besides, who would really mess up a big bear chassis like that I mean, especially when the wild Willy chatter is readily available and the big bear is,
well, pretty rare.

[Dadio]

I used to do ww2 reenactment and there were folk referred to as Stitch Nazi's who'd tell you your tunic had only a single row of stitching and it should be double , other folk adhered to the ten yard rule where if it looked right at ten yards all was good , i fell into the latter camp but mostly due to the cost
I like GoMachV's line of thought , could it be done in the day , I'd extend that to using re re parts .
What you call the mongrel when it's finished is up to you but remember one man's garbage is another man's gold

[Chewbacca]

Here is one of my mutts. It identifies as a 10T.

A stamp pan, previously modified.
10T nose, bulkhead, bellcranks, towers, and rear arms.
Injora/Axial transmission and ECX shafts.
B4 steering, with Traxxas axles.
Traxxas front arms, rear carriers, and shocks.
Losi springs.
Traxxas wheels and Tamiya tires.

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Did you add a Kyosho UMW604 diff to that gearbox? Or are you running the spool?

You might want to check THIS THREAD out.

Cool mutt btw.

[juicedcoupe]

Did you add a Kyosho UMW604 diff to that gearbox? Or are you running the spool?

You might want to check THIS THREAD out.

Cool mutt btw.

I considered the diff. But for a junk basher, I decided to keep the spool.

[duckhead]

...the wrong screws can be a breaking point

There is a similarly interesting discussion on what is to be considered a truly vintage build. The screws thing made me laugh because I could not allow myself to use anything but period-correct associated screws as I'm (re)building an old 10L and RC10. To the point where not only did I spend a stupid amount on screws, but they had to be from the correct years... meaning they couldn't be from later associated production w/ later packaging and possibly ever so slightly miscolored or different. How stupid is that.. imagine if I told my wife what I spent that time doing!! As for the Brand that's tough, juicedcoupe example is excellent because that thing screams 10T w/ that chassis even though the majority is not.

Specifically towards RC10 kits, but I am sure it might be relevant to other manufacturers, I have to sit in the camp of "period correct" screws for a resto. If the screws came from that time period, that is accurate enough and as accurate as one can get...

Those claiming that there is one definitve "screw" for a given period of time have simply not looked at a large enough 'NIB' sample set of that period.

Associated clearly used whatever they 'had on hand' from a variety of (likely) local suppliers, especially in the realm of 4-40 screws. "dots", "stars", "no dots", "no stars", "ribbed", "half ribbed", "no ribs" etc. etc. you'll find in various styles and quantities in these kits, especially the earlier ones.

It's no different than the early kits that had "Goodyear" or "No Goodyear" tires, captured spring cups, or not, "Edinger" parts in a "Cadillac" kit, etc.

There are definitive time periods, however it is extremely apparent that the transitory time periods almost equal the definitive ones.

Whoever completes their time machine first I'd like a ride back to ~'85-88 and I would love to be a fly on the wall in the manufacturing and shipping departments of AE, how cool would that be!

[1911Colt]

Whoever completes their time machine first I'd like a ride back to ~'85-88

...and drop me off in 1965. To hell with RC, I'm getting a Cobra!

Excellent post! Transitory stuff is cool even if it does confound the concourse perfectionists. No wait, it is cool BECAUSE it confounds the concourse perfectionists

[Dangeruss]

A complete Grasshopper with a Stealth is "a Stealth". So it isn't really how much is brand A vs brand B, but "what good stuff is contained therein?"

If you put a Stealth transmission into a Grasshopper... would that make it a Team Car???

Got a video recommended last night reviewing a B7 with "25 aftermarket parts on it"... just aluminum and titanium bits I think counted individually rather than in groups... but the reviewer asked... "Is it even a B7 anymore?" Screws, turnbuckles, carriers/blocks, hinge pivots and a bulkhead all designed for the car suddenly makes it not a B7? In the 90's those things would've only made it on the car to get it running while you were waiting for your Lunsford, RPM, and other orders to arrive.

I'm of the opinion parts made for a platform don't change what the platform is... If the parts are assembled into a kit, then it is what the kit is, like Scr8p said, Team Pit Stop Nova and Bullet RC-X2. Ditto even if all the parts aren't in a kit but come from a single manufacturer and replace the majority of factory parts, like RPM... Then goodbye Associated RC10T and hello Ultramold 10T.

But swapping across platforms... I lean towards the greatest percentage of parts defines the brand. In the case of multiple makes (frankenbuilds )... I'd base it off either the chassis or whatever fun name sprung to mind.

Obviously this excludes nut-and-bolt builds where faithfulness and authenticity are prioritized.

But, there're people on here into Schumacher's?? ...You can't be Serious.

[Frankentruck]

A complete Grasshopper with a Stealth is "a Stealth". So it isn't really how much is brand A vs brand B, but "what good stuff is contained therein?"

If you put a Stealth transmission into a Grasshopper... would that make it a Team Car???

But swapping across platforms... I lean towards the greatest percentage of parts defines the brand. In the case of multiple makes (frankenbuilds )

I think this is still a Hornet. Or, it's the least capable RC10 B4 ever
https://www.rc10talk.com/viewtopic.php?t=47436

[GoMachV]

So, I just built a Hornet Evo

The tub, bumper, tires and wheels and body are original. Almost everything else is new. It didn't even feel like a hornet build until stickering the body. It won't drive like an original. It's improved in every possible way. I mean, it has 6 bearings in the steering bellcranks and comes with turnbuckles. It's more feature filled than the rere RC10s

So, is it still a Hornet? It kinda is and kinda isn't.

There again you have Kyosho with the Rampage. It was always nitro, rampage WAS nitro. But they have a newer rig called the Rampage and it's not only electric but a modern trophy truck style platform. They have also broken the Ultima line in the past by releasing a Ultima GP line. Ugh. Will we ever see a RC10GT electric? With AE's marketing dept probably

Anyway, just food for thought. I'm of the mindset that names mean something but clearly the manufacturers are not as picky

[duckhead]

A complete Grasshopper with a Stealth is "a Stealth". So it isn't really how much is brand A vs brand B, but "what good stuff is contained therein?"

If you put a Stealth transmission into a Grasshopper... would that make it a Team Car???

Don't forget your LIMITED EDITION GREEN VERSION!!! Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Dangeruss]

Don't forget your LIMITED EDITION GREEN VERSION!!! Sorry, couldn't resist...

Now that's funny!

Talk about not being able to resist...

[TRX-1-3]

If you put a Stealth transmission into a Grasshopper... would that make it a Team Car???

Wouldn't a Grasshopper be more of a Ninja if it had Stealth?

[Chewbacca]

……
Anyway, just food for thought. I'm of the mindset that names mean something but clearly the manufacturers are not as picky

Which brings us back to the Mach E

You get my point

[RCveteran]

. It's more feature filled than the rere RC10s

A rickshaw meets that definition. A rickshaw with traxxas hubs though, maybe not