Ultimate Vintage Brushed Motor Reference Guide (Discussion Topic)

[Frankentruck]

For modifieds, Wimpy used both Air Supply and Yokomo parts.
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[jcwrks]

For modifieds, Wimpy used both Air Supply and Yokomo parts.
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I did mention primarily, but it's also possible that the one with the Yok endbell was swapped. The can could match the air supply ones.

[Frankentruck]

For modifieds, Wimpy used both Air Supply and Yokomo parts.
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I did mention primarily, but it's also possible that the one with the Yok endbell was swapped. The can could match the air supply ones.

I read primarily and was providing examples of both Yokomo and Air Supply Wimpy motors. The left 2 motors are both Yokomo and the right 2 are both Air Supply. The quality of the group these motors came in makes me doubt that any endbell swaps occurred. Many Air Supply cans are Yokomo cans without the Yokomo stamp (early Yokomo cans had no stamp either).

[Tommyd]

Wimpy pimarily used Air Supply teardowns. Stock were typically silver cans. If you want something different then TRD offers a whimsical selection of motors.


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these my friend are not any Air Supply tear downs by TRD I would know.
As for the motor in question
Its made by Gonzo and is a trinity teardown

1987 Gonzo
Pretty, Sissy, Little, Wimpy, Motor

Modified
WIM10D 10x2
WIM11T 11x3
WIM12D 12x2
WIM12T 12x3
WIM13D 13x2
WIM13T 13x3
WIM14S 14x1
WIM14D 14x2
WIM14T 14x3
WIM14Q 14x4
WIM15D 15x2
WIM15T 15x3
WIM15Q 15x4
WIM16T 16x3
WIM17T 17x3
WIM18D 18x2

Stock
WIM200 Wimpy "X"
WIM200-D Wimpy "X" Dyno Stock

[THEYTOOKMYTHUMB]

What exactly is a "tear down"? I can tell from the context that it basically means the same motor, but do they buy them plain and just slap their label on them, or is there more to it?

[Tommyd]

What exactly is a "tear down"? I can tell from the context that it basically means the same motor, but do they buy them plain and just slap their label on them, or is there more to it?

Teardown motors were done from motor companies for years. Trinity used Kyosho for a bit over a year then had there own motor cans and endbells made and manufactured
And back then a bunch of motor companies would buy in bulk cans, endbells, armatures and put there own built armatures and company brand decals on them cans making there own motor builds.

[V12]

Well commenting several posts in one.

Swapping endbells could make a motor no longer legal, for competition use.
I don´t think a motorbuilder would sell a Yokomo based motor with an Air Supply endbell. Prototype motors are a different story.

Yokomo might be to read at the endbell or can, but these and most other teardowns were made by Sagami.

Kyosho is one of the exceptions.
Ernie Provetti wanted to use the Kyyosho teardowns. He and Joel Johnson went to the 1984 Japan Nationals were Joel won with his Delta car. After that Ernie was able to receive his first batch of Kyosho tear downs, which he was not succesful before. Later the teardowns were not made for Trinity, he bought the company which made the teardowns. This company was renamed as EPIC later.

Not correct, Trinity made motors before Kyosho released their first motors. In the beginning it was Igarashi as for everybody, then Yokomo/Sagami for a limited timeframe.

What is a teardown. In the very early times it was just Igarashi production motors which had to be torn down, to rework and rewind. This might have been the start for the term 'teardown'.
Later the basic motorparts were available to motor builders as a unit. This is can, endbell and armature blank (no windings) what finally is meant as teardown.

[Frankentruck]

Who made the unwound rotor armatures? It seems like 90% or more of motors started with the same armature core. The ceramic shaft Race Prep armatures were an interesting change.

[V12]

You mean the armature blank.
Well, maybe 99.9% of all armature blanks made have one thing in common. The steel shaft. But that´s it.
Kyosho and I think also some AYK armatures got inclined slots where most other armatures got straight slots.
Diameter and length of the iron sheet core differed, same for the shape of the core, the diameter of the commutator etc.
So not the same armature blanks for all motors.

Yes the ceramic shaft could make a difference. But it was prone to break so the good idea didn´t last that long.

[THEYTOOKMYTHUMB]

So back to the original question, does anyone know if Gonzo/Wimpy labeled made any green motors, or is it a mislabeled Green Machine 2? Oddly enough, I ran across a GM2 digging thru some motors yesterday. It would clean up pretty nice if the previous owner had put their capacitors on the other side.. .

[R6cowboy]

It would clean up pretty nice if the previous owner had put their capacitors on the other side.. .

That's just irritating as hell

[Frankentruck]

So back to the original question, does anyone know if Gonzo/Wimpy labeled made any green motors, or is it a mislabeled Green Machine 2?

There are lots of brands that used Trinity stock motors, or at least the cans and endbells. That specific green motor, the label looks to me like a computer printer might have made it, so possibly not an original Wimpy label. The white edge around the red letters doesn't look like an original label to me.

[THEYTOOKMYTHUMB]

Adds up. I still dig it, and it rips! I still have an original Wimpy from the handout race circa 1990. I wish I'd have paid more attention to the rep on site. A couple more stockers on my list to scratch off and I'll have every stock motor I ever raced with.

[Tommyd]

So back to the original question, does anyone know if Gonzo/Wimpy labeled made any green motors, or is it a mislabeled Green Machine 2? Oddly enough, I ran across a GM2 digging thru some motors yesterday. It would clean up pretty nice if the previous owner had put their capacitors on the other side.. .

As someone who has been doing brush motors for a very long time. To the best of my knowledge, No Gonzo had never put out a Green Trinity can teardown. There lines mainly were AirSupply endbells and a few were later yokomo…black mortor cans also with there part numbers…I believe also yokomo cans. I do recall one of there stock they made two were in silver motor can.

[Dangeruss]

A few more Kyosho LeMans motors to add to the list:

N/A 360E N/A RPM bushings 550 motor (Turbo Scorpion kit motor)
N/A 240E 19x2 N/A RPM bearings
1892 480T 26x1 21,000 RPM
1923 240ST 22x1 24,000 RPM bushings fixed timing (Rocky, Maxxum, Turbo Ultima, Optima Mid, Turbo Optima Mid SE kit motor)
1966 AP36BB 18x2 27,000 RPM ball bearings
2481 Pro High Speed 14x2 34,500 RPM
2485 Pro On-Road 17x1 28,000 RPM
70316 Super Pro HF Speed Competition 12x4 35,000 RPM
70317 Super Pro HF Torque Competition 13x4 32,800 RPM
70321 Super Pro HF Speed 10x2 39,000 RPM
70322 Super Pro HF Torque 11x2 42,000 RPM
70851 29APL Special 20x1 22,000 RPM 480 motor
70951 29APL V-Special 13x1 34,000 RPM 480 motor

Corrections and additions:
1961 AP29R 27x1 16,000 RPM 480 motor reverse rotation
1962 AP36 18x2 27,000 RPM
1984 Super Heli 17x2 33,000 RPM ball bearings
KYOG2478 22x1 Outlaw Stock reverse - 22,000 RPM

Additional wind/rpm/information:
1891 24x1 (Turbo Optima kit motor)
1893 19x1 (Turbo Optima, Turbo Ultima kit motor)
1894 30x1
1895 19x1
1897 25x4
1898 22x1 19,000 rpm (Icarus kit motor)
1922 27x1 18,000 RPM (big Brute, Big Boss, Raider, Buick Stocker, Ultima II, Sideways Kit motor)
1924 19x2
1925 18x2
1926 20x1
1986 16x2
1988 19x1
2483 16x2
W1011 18x2
W1012 24x4
1930 27x1
1961 27x1
1962 18x2
2461 19x2
1992 27x1
1993 27x1

Other Kyosho Motors:

Additional XSpeed info and winds:
70901-10T 10x3 Modified 46,000 RPM
70901-11T 11x3 Modified 42,000 RPM
70901-12T 12x3 Modified 39,000 RPM
70901-13T 13x3 Modified 36,000 RPM
70901-14T 14x3 Modified 33,500 RPM
70901-15T 15x3 Modified 31,000 RPM
70901-16T 16x3 Modified 30,000 RPM
70901-17T 17x3 Modified 28,500 RPM
70902-11T 11x2 Stock 45,000 RPM
70902-12T 12x2 Stock 42,000 RPM
70902-13T 13x2 Stock 39,500 RPM
70902-14T 14x2 Stock 36,500 RPM
70902-15T 15x2 Stock 36,000 RPM
70902-16T 16x2 Stock 34,500 RPM
70902-17T 17x2 Stock 33,000 RPM
70902-18T 18x2 Stock 31,500 RPM
70902-19T 19x2 Stock 28,000 RPM
70902-23T 19x1 Stock 23,500 RPM

Mega Motor:
2470 Mega Formula 22x2 22,000 RPM
2476 (Turbo Ultima II kit motor)

K-Speed:
70553 Stock 13T
70554 Stock 15T
70555 Stock 17T
70556 Stock 19T
70557 Stock 21T
70558 Stock 23T
70575 Heli 15T

Grand Prix:
70301 28BB 32x1 26,000RPM

Marine:
70811 AquaSpeed Modified 17x2 31,000 RPM
70815 AquaSpeed Stock 18x2 60,500 RPM

70823 AquaSpeedPro Stock 23x1

Super Marine:
70311 Type D 16x2 31,000 RPM water cooled
70312 Type G 13x2 26,500 RPM water cooled