The end of the performance brushed motors?

[airbats801]

Anyone familiar with pretty much the end of high performance brushed motoros? I was told, but I dont have much info that these round brushed motors running in at a angle, were when they motors were getting really good, but brishless had pretty much taken over.

IW as out of the scene when this transition happened, but I picked up a few of these with my motor lath awhile back, and about a month ago I tossed this jessie robbers vortec phantom 10x2 in my tl01 drift car with a cheap 3s lipo. Holy crap!!

I had to take the drift tires off and put rubbers on, and she was still drifting like crazy. The motor is stupid fast.


I've never really experienced anything like it in a brushed motor before. Although I never did play too much with real low turn brushed cans back in the day either.


I was just curious if these cans really are better than lay down and standup cans. It seems like they are getting a lot more surface area with the angled round brushes.I guess if anyone has some good info on pretty much the end of brushed racing, I'd love to hear it.


Here are my round brushed cans Peak vantage 11x2, and the jessie robbers edition phantom vortec 0x
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[THEYTOOKMYTHUMB]

3s is a beast with about any motor around, but it sounds like a good time. My Losi Slider is about the only car I enjoy with 3s. Everything else is pretty much out of control. I love brushed motors though. I'd hate to ever stop seeing them completely.

[RC10resto]

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[AscotConversion]

Most of the round brush stuff seemed to be to help the motor's longevity between rebuilds. Typical square brush motors were getting to the rebuild every run area with low turn modifieds. The round brush stuff like Orion or the Checkpoint motors lasted longer. I think the Orion brush was angled to reduce brush bounce at high rpm...?? Trinity went to a bigger square brush (p94?? Cobalt??) if I remember right. I'm not sure if the round shape had something to do with how the comm segments fired, or if it was just a mechanical contact thing that was improved. The brushes also got better as well. I did some mod sedan racing at that point, but it was not super serious. Mostly, I was trying to keep the motors in decent shape and not destroy speed controls (which had a bad habit of blowing up in high temperatures with a 7 turn). I had a Checkpoint motor when they came out and it was really nice in that it didn't destroy the comm in one run like the older stuff. Brushless came in pretty soon after that, so I really didn't get to enjoy the new motors.

Honestly, if you are going to run brush motors, they are great and long lasting. The Checkpoint money motor 19t is a really good all around motor.

[RC10th]

I really liked the old Reedy large comm motors, gobs of torque. They seemed to start really experimenting with brushed motors just prior to them being phased out. Quad mags, V-brushes etc.

As much as I hated it at the time it's quite fun now to occasionally break out the old motor gear and rebuild a brushed motor.

[longboardnj]

i dont like the round brush motors .. not saying they are bad but if its not broke dont fix it. just trying to say the old brush stuff seemed to work good for me. im a big fan of the old fixed timing (flat spots on can)motors with the capacitor "chip" on the end. real easy to take the motor apart and clean it with this set up and you cant mess up the timing.27 and 19 turn motors were great and the "pro" motors were even better. a 19 turn pro motor is my fav brushed motor of all time . hers a pic of my ideal brushed motor setup.

note: a company put a sticker on with timing numbers but you can see the motor has a flat spot so you cant adjust timing .

[kink]

I was looking into Brushed v Brushless. I decided it would be good to get an ESC which allows both, such as the Tekin RS. That way I can be sensible and eventually use BL. But I can also play with some vintage (lets face it they are cool) brushed motors.

The trouble is many of the old hot motors destroy their brushes quickly. Finding loads of original brushes at all, or for sensible money can be a pain too. This is where the final V brushed motors make a lot more sense. Long lasting brushes allowing 30 runs is better than 2-4 runs! Parts are easier and cheaper too, so stock up while you can.

[longboardnj]

I was looking into Brushed v Brushless. I decided it would be good to get an ESC which allows both, such as the Tekin RS. That way I can be sensible and eventually use BL. But I can also play with some vintage (lets face it they are cool) brushed motors.

The trouble is many of the old hot motors destroy their brushes quickly. Finding loads of original brushes at all, or for sensible money can be a pain too. This is where the final V brushed motors make a lot more sense. Long lasting brushes allowing 30 runs is better than 2-4 runs! Parts are easier and cheaper too, so stock up while you can.

thats why i only like 19 turns or more . to many brush issues with faster motors. dont think closed end brushed motors will ever die off. the problem is when the brushes wear out its 4-10 bucks for new brushes . you can get new closed motors for 10-20 bucks.

[8rad]

I was looking into Brushed v Brushless. I decided it would be good to get an ESC which allows both, such as the Tekin RS. That way I can be sensible and eventually use BL. But I can also play with some vintage (lets face it they are cool) brushed motors.

The trouble is many of the old hot motors destroy their brushes quickly. Finding loads of original brushes at all, or for sensible money can be a pain too. This is where the final V brushed motors make a lot more sense. Long lasting brushes allowing 30 runs is better than 2-4 runs! Parts are easier and cheaper too, so stock up while you can.

I walked into my LHS and asked if they still sold bulk brushes. The guy pulled out a bag of about 40 brushes.

I bought the whole bag. I should be good for a few years.

[kink]

That's cool.

I bought x20 Enduro brushes which last 30 runs each. They fit the Peak Vantage or Orion Revolution motors.

[RC10th]

i dont like the round brush motors .. not saying they are bad but if its not broke dont fix it. just trying to say the old brush stuff seemed to work good for me. im a big fan of the old fixed timing (flat spots on can)motors with the capacitor "chip" on the end. real easy to take the motor apart and clean it with this set up and you cant mess up the timing.27 and 19 turn motors were great and the "pro" motors were even better. a 19 turn pro motor is my fav brushed motor of all time . hers a pic of my ideal brushed motor setup.

note: a company put a sticker on with timing numbers but you can see the motor has a flat spot so you cant adjust timing .

You could run a timed brush to further advance the timing a few degrees You could also "index" the brush hoods to gain another one. It all made a difference.

Making motors fast in the day was fun but sucked that you only got 1 - 2 runs out of a rebuild.

[kink]

I just got an Orion Revolution with 19T as that was the slowest motor of this V brush style I could find. But I also bought a Peak Vantage 11T. Both are exactly the same motor. But the Peak is different in that it looks like it has adjustable timing on the end bell. So my plan was to run the 19T armature in the 11T adjustable timing can. Will this work ok? It should give me adjustable timing on a 19T then... Am I mad?

[longboardnj]

I just got an Orion Revolution with 19T as that was the slowest motor of this V brush style I could find. But I also bought a Peak Vantage 11T. Both are exactly the same motor. But the Peak is different in that it looks like it has adjustable timing on the end bell. So my plan was to run the 19T armature in the 11T adjustable timing can. Will this work ok? It should give me adjustable timing on a 19T then... Am I mad?

why do you want a adjustable timing motor? do you have a dyno?

[kink]

No, should I have? I thought the idea may be to tailor the run time v speed. Is that wrong or just mad on a 19T?

[longboardnj]

to me adjusting timing is just a pain. you can adjust it and have it sound great then put it in the car and its slow. without a dyno you really dont know what your getting