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Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 am
by slazzaro
Hello! Does anyone know, or can anyone with a Cat XLS re-re take a measurement of these ball studs?
Are the balls 5.8mm diameter?
Thanks in advance! Cheers!

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:54 pm
by XLR8
slazzaro wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:00 am Hello! Does anyone know, or can anyone with a Cat XLS re-re take a measurement of these ball studs?
Are the balls 5.8mm diameter?
Thanks in advance! Cheers!
5.5mm

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:00 pm
by slazzaro
Thank you! So they're not good for me.. I'll look further for some "vintage looking" 5.8 ball studs to fit my Yokomo 870c. The original ones are so rare!

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:26 pm
by juicedcoupe
Are you looking for the ball studs or the links?

I believe that the RPM links for Traxxas vehicles will fit 5.8mm balls. They are made in two lengths and multiple colors.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:29 pm
by Coelacanth
5.8mm ball studs and open ball-ends are pretty common in vintage Kyosho kits, mainly the Optima series...used for tie rods and camber links, if I'm not mistaken. I believe they're 3mm threaded studs.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:31 pm
by XLR8
Yes, vintage and re-re Kyosho also uses 5.8mm ball connectors and they are 3mm thread.
Also, off-road vehicles from MST uses this size as well. Here are some part numbers to add to your search:
mst ball connectors.JPG
Not sure if any of this is helpful.

EDIT: A Main has the 210491's

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:17 pm
by slazzaro
Thank you all! I'm after ball studs. Ideally with inner thread and hex, but I think I'll have to settle for any alternative solution from Kyosho or other makes. After all the ones with external thread do the same job and look similar enough once installed.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:20 pm
by juicedcoupe
https://www.amainhobbies.com/kyosho-5.8mm-flanged-hard-ball-3mm-thread-4-kyow0158/p-qqqqqzyqlc2xactz

Just search for "5.8mm pivot balls". You will find some options, not all will be threaded.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:08 am
by XLR8
As juicedcoupe suggested, I searched Amain's website for "5.8 ball" and found two pages of ball connectors and related products in this size. Besides Kyosho and MST, there are 12 different manufacturers listed that make a 5.8mm ball connector. This can't be mere coincidence, there must be a reason. Why 5.8 I wonder.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:03 am
by slazzaro
I know! I was also wondering why 5.8? :?:

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:06 am
by XLR8
slazzaro wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:03 am I know! I was also wondering why 5.8? :?:
After giving this more thought, I'm guessing 5.8 is the largest ball diameter that can consistently be turned from 6mm diameter bar stock.
What's interesting is that smaller diameters will result in less friction so Schumacher makes 5.5mm and RC10 ball studs are even smaller (although AE uses #4 screw threads which are also slightly smaller than M3).
With M3 as the basis, ball connectors made from 6mm bar yields the greatest range of motion at lowest material cost. Just speculating of course.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:27 am
by jwscab
Yeah that's why. The 6mm hex is used to turn into a ball.

Same with the associated ball. Starts with 3/16" hex stock.

Re: Cat XLS pivot balls U7150

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:16 pm
by slazzaro
That makes a lot of sense, thank you both!