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Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:32 pm
by WillyThickfoot
Hey guys. Can i reverse rotation on a brushless motor or do i have to flip the diff on my Clod.I'm running dual ezrun 9T.

Thanks, Dave

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:46 pm
by THEYTOOKMYTHUMB
Just switch any 2 of the wires until you get reverse rotation. No harm to the motor, competition...maybe. :mrgreen:

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:51 am
by WillyThickfoot
Thank you sir. :)

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:53 am
by Charlie don't surf
THEYTOOKMYTHUMB wrote:Just switch any 2 of the wires until you get reverse rotation. No harm to the motor, competition...maybe. :mrgreen:
I don't think that is correct- the 3 wires that run off the ESC are the supply wires to the stator poles- the smaller sensor wire relays the rotor position to the ESC to control the pulses of current to each stator via the Hall Effect Sensors, and the rotor can get "hung" between the stator positions and get nothing but a magnetic lock- or a big puff of stinky smoke-

If you are running a Castle system or another sensorless system then it will work- Tekin systems can be changed via the hotwire setup I believe-

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:24 pm
by WillyThickfoot
Well now you got me thinkin. I got 3 matchin answers saying I can switch any two wires and despite sounding questionable it sounded like I had the answer. So what do I do? :?

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:33 pm
by CAT3K
If it's a sensorless system you have then you can swap any two wires to get reverse. If it's a sensored system them you've got to keep them in the correct order (ABC) Some sensored esc's can have the rotation changed with PC software like has been said above, but not all.

Paul.

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:41 pm
by THEYTOOKMYTHUMB
Charlie don't surf wrote:
THEYTOOKMYTHUMB wrote:Just switch any 2 of the wires until you get reverse rotation. No harm to the motor, competition...maybe. :mrgreen:
I don't think that is correct- the 3 wires that run off the ESC are the supply wires to the stator poles- the smaller sensor wire relays the rotor position to the ESC to control the pulses of current to each stator via the Hall Effect Sensors, and the rotor can get "hung" between the stator positions and get nothing but a magnetic lock- or a big puff of stinky smoke-

If you are running a Castle system or another sensorless system then it will work- Tekin systems can be changed via the hotwire setup I believe-
EZ RUN is sensorless though, correct?

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:37 pm
by Charlie don't surf
I just thought I would clarify on the sensored systems- sorry for any confusion or, wow-that looks great! :wink:

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:44 pm
by THEYTOOKMYTHUMB
Charlie don't surf wrote:I just thought I would clarify on the sensored systems- sorry for any confusion or, wow-that looks great! :wink:
Prolly a good idea in case someone else were to read this and take it as gospel.

"I think what separates me from most people is that I believe everything I read." -David St. Hubbins

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:56 pm
by WillyThickfoot
It says something about having 8 settings for timing compatable with various sensorless motors but I'm not sure what i have.

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:04 pm
by THEYTOOKMYTHUMB
WillyThickfoot wrote:It says something about having 8 settings for timing compatable with various sensorless motors but I'm not sure what i have.
If it's sensored it will have the 3 large wires + an extra wire that looks similar to a servo wire with a plug that goes to the motor. If it just has 3 wires it's sensorless and switching the wires will bring no harm.

Just as an fyi, sensorless escs can run sensored motors. That info will only come in handy if you're entering a race that requires a 17.5 sensored motor or something like that. You just have to buy the motor rather than the whole set up since you already have the esc.

A quick pic of your esc and motor would help if you want to be 100% certain. I definitely don't want to give any bad info that will cost people money.

Although I am an expert at giving bad info... :lol:

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:55 pm
by WillyThickfoot
This is the 9T ezrun and it has only 3 heavy wires going to the motor.No plug going into motor.

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:01 pm
by THEYTOOKMYTHUMB
WillyThickfoot wrote:This is the 9T ezrun and it has only 3 heavy wires going to the motor.No plug going into motor.
It's sensorless then and you can switch the wires without harm. I think there is confusion because EZ RUN uses turn references rather than kv ratings like most sensorless set ups. I think they do it because it's more relate-able to most r/c enthusiasts even though kv ratings are a lot more accurate in my opinion.

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:08 pm
by WillyThickfoot
Says on the box: 9T-3650S-4300KV

These kits are awsome.I have converted all my rc's to ezrun and lipo and will never go back. Power and run time is WOW!! Used to be a challange to lift the front end on my buggys,now I can cat-walk my slashes.

Re: Reverse rotation on brushless?

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:06 pm
by Synergy
EZRun = none sensored
XERun = sensored