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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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Dangeruss wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:36 pm Oh yeah... you've got a Hoonitruck... duh :oops: :lol:

Indeed, the width/offset of the 31mm wheels will put all the touring cars over 190mm.

Has a little bit of a gasser stance until you stretch the sides to get it down, but nice looking once you do 👍 just begging for a set of 26mm Fuchs :P
There's no possible way you could remember the ridiculous inventory over here :lol:

I tried those skinny Hoonitruck wheels (they're exactly the same size and offset as HPI 26mm wheels, which I also purchased and tried on the rear), and the chassis is still too wide!

This is a rather pointless pic, but this shows that even putting the rear wheels wells, over the front wheels, is still too wide for this body, tires rub badly.
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I'm thinking this body is 185mm, those rear fender skirts won't fit anything. Worried too that I buy a TT-02, and it's the same thing. This body was an ebay knockoff, unlicensed. Going to measure it to see how much less than 190mm it really is.

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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Those are sweet! I can't get any 26mm wheels to work with this body, including my MK2 Fazer, but now I think I need those RPM wheels, hadn't seen those before. Thanks!

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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The camera plays tricks on the measurements, but the yardstick shows the DC body is 7.5" wide, which is 190.5mm.
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Measuring the Apex2 rear wheels, with 31mm tires, shows 7 3/4".
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The 14 1/2" inch mark is where the rear wheel skirt lands, even when using 26mm wide in the rear, they're still too wide, because of the toe-in.
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I need to make the wheel wells poke out farther about an 1/8" on each side, or use shaped foam tires to fit the wells, or do 1/8" worth of negative camber on the back wheels.

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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Hmmm, I'm wondering if a Tamiya M06 chassis would fit your DC body.
The M06's wheelbase is adjustable: 210mm, 225mm, 239mm - is that still too short?
For width, it measures 5.9" across the wheel mounting faces on the hex drives. That leaves ~0.8" per side - might work if you mount wide wheels with plenty of offset and maybe some wider hexes?
The M06 has a buggy style rear mounted motor - just like a VW. :D
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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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The MST TCR-M is about the narrowest 1/10 touring car I know of at 164mm (optionally 173mm) but, even with their optional 245mm chassis plate it comes up about a half inch short of the Apex2's 259mm wheelbase... which looks like it lines up with the wheelbase of the body, yeah?

Other options exist, like XLR8 suggested, in Tamiya's catalog of cars... possible one might meet the width/wheelbase needs of the body.

Though, do you know the offset of your wheels? Both the 26mm and 31mm were available in 0mm offset and wider 6mm offset. The 6mm offset wheels allowed 190mm cars to run 200mm bodies... If you have the 6mm offset wheels then finding a set of 0mm offset wheels would solve the problem.

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Thinner hex drives could be a solution. Might need to clearance the steering/camber blocks if they're too close. 3mm narrower hex's gets you the 1/8" you want per side... provided the factory hex's are 5mm or more thick.

Also like how they make adjustable offset wheels to widen the track, RCaidong, Hobbysoul, etc, make them to narrow the track width as well... from 0mm to 6mm out of the box, which would make them up to nearly 1/4" narrower per side:

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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Thanks for the suggestions, guys!

The DC body is 260mm wb, and my M-06 is 239mm, I tried to fit it in as many different ways as I could, M-Chassis are a no go with the Touring body.

On my M-06 Bus kit, I was able to fit the HPI 31mm +6 offset wheels, behind the skirts and with no rubbing, but I had to do that old ugly trick they do on real VW's when they go too low - negative camber.
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Hard to tell, not too extreme, doesn't rub.
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Last night I tried to buy the Tamiya 911 RSR Touring kit, it comes with the cheapest TT-02 chassis and the 911 body. I offered the guy $120, and he declined, will up the offer to $125 today, he wants $128 :D .

To get the DC body to work, I'm going to have to get the TT-02, or play with negative camber to get behind the wheel skirts.

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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Okay, let me make another suggestion.
You've chosen a chassis with the correct wb BUT track width is wrong. Let's adjust the track width with a custom set of arms.
I've done that here with this Scorcher project. This build was based upon a DT-02 chassis but the wb and track was wrong for the Scorcher body and wheel/tire package I wanted to use so I corrected it with some purposed designed and printed arms.
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Shop around and select the exact wheel/tire package that looks best with the DC (don't worry about width or offset), shoot me the wheel dimensions and desired track width so I can design a set of arms that will bring everything together.
I have the TT-02 digitized so adjusting the arm lengths will be quick and easy - no cost whatsoever. I can send you the files and you can have them printed.
I use iMaterialize for printing - they'll accept my files (no need for conversion) and their prices are competitive and turn-around is quick.
I very much enjoy doing this kind of work so I'd like to help if I can. :D
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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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GreenBar0n wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 2:25 pm Thanks for the suggestions, guys!

Last night I tried to buy the Tamiya 911 RSR Touring kit, it comes with the cheapest TT-02 chassis and the 911 body. I offered the guy $120, and he declined, will up the offer to $125 today, he wants $128 :D .
I wouldn't call $128 the cheapest TT-02...

Horizon Hobby has the BRZ TT-02 for $109 with free shipping... https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/1-10-2021-subaru-brz-zd8-tt-02-awd-on-road-touring-kit/TAM58702A.html
Or from Horizon Hobby on Amazon also $109 with free shipping... www.amazon.com/TAMIYA-Subaru-BRZ-TT-02-TAM58702A/dp/B09TG1CN3N
Or Horizon Hobby on Ebay for $114 with free shipping... www.ebay.com/itm/166936965983

And Royal of Japan sells the bodyless TT-02 kit for $100 with free shipping... www.ebay.com/itm/315458514125

Wouldn't argue with the 911 body being worth an extra $20 or so... it's a seriously pretty body.
XLR8 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:06 pm This build was based upon a DT-02 chassis but the wb and track was wrong for the Scorcher body and wheel/tire package I wanted to use so I corrected it with some purposed designed and printed arms.
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I don't know which is cooler... the offer you extended to GreenBarOn... or the thought that custom lenght DT-02 arms are only a message away... 'ol buddy, 'ol pal, 'ol friend :mrgreen: :lol: :P

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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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XLR8 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:06 pm Okay, let me make another suggestion.
You've chosen a chassis with the correct wb BUT track width is wrong. Let's adjust the track width with a custom set of arms.
I've done that here with this Scorcher project. This build was based upon a DT-02 chassis but the wb and track was wrong for the Scorcher body and wheel/tire package I wanted to use so I corrected it with some purposed designed and printed arms.

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Shop around and select the exact wheel/tire package that looks best with the DC (don't worry about width or offset), shoot me the wheel dimensions and desired track width so I can design a set of arms that will bring everything together.
I have the TT-02 digitized so adjusting the arm lengths will be quick and easy - no cost whatsoever. I can send you the files and you can have them printed.
I use iMaterialize for printing - they'll accept my files (no need for conversion) and their prices are competitive and turn-around is quick.
I very much enjoy doing this kind of work so I'd like to help if I can. :D
Too cool, thanks! I'll have to wait a bit to get the TT-02 kit, really wanted the 911 body with it. But the TT-02R is $155 or so, and has a lot of hop ups, tough call.

Negative camber is not bad thing though, this is how it's done in the VW world, for decades now. It's hard on the spade axles in the real world, not too much risk at 1/10 scale.
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Too extreme of negative camber is goofy looking, but in my Northern CA high school in the mid 80's, there were more than a couple of the beetles with extreme negative camber, with license plates like SlowNLo.
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My real Bus is lowered, not slammed, I put a Squareback Type3 transaxle in it, and removed the Bus reduction gear boxes, so it sits level with no negative camber, and will do 80+ mph.
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Thanks again for the arms offer on the TT-02! Need to decide on the 911 body and cheapest TT-02, or the TT-02R.

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Dangeruss wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 11:46 pm I wouldn't call $128 the cheapest TT-02...

Horizon Hobby has the BRZ TT-02 for $109 with free shipping... https://www.horizonhobby.com/product/1-10-2021-subaru-brz-zd8-tt-02-awd-on-road-touring-kit/TAM58702A.html
Or from Horizon Hobby on Amazon also $109 with free shipping... www.amazon.com/TAMIYA-Subaru-BRZ-TT-02-TAM58702A/dp/B09TG1CN3N
Or Horizon Hobby on Ebay for $114 with free shipping... www.ebay.com/itm/166936965983

And Royal of Japan sells the bodyless TT-02 kit for $100 with free shipping... www.ebay.com/itm/315458514125

Wouldn't argue with the 911 body being worth an extra $20 or so... it's a seriously pretty body.
XLR8 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 4:06 pm This build was based upon a DT-02 chassis but the wb and track was wrong for the Scorcher body and wheel/tire package I wanted to use so I corrected it with some purposed designed and printed arms.
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I don't know which is cooler... the offer you extended to GreenBarOn... or the thought that custom lenght DT-02 arms are only a message away... 'ol buddy, 'ol pal, 'ol friend :mrgreen: :lol: :P
The $100 ebay one you linked to is partially assembled, someone chewed all the flavor out of that one already. :D

The TT-02 is the least expensive, the TT-02R comes with the hop ups and is the Race version for $155, but no body. I wouldn't want any other body but the 911 if I were to go cheap TT-02, the 911 body is extremely worth it to me. But I would like that 911 body on the TT-02R, and once I've crossed that line, then the VW DC body is placed on the couch in the pile with the rest of the orphaned shells :D .

The DC body was a gamble, I knew it when I bought it, but there has never been another one made, so I had to see it for myself. Just not sure if it's worth an expensive TT-02R chassis.

A 930 Turbo slant nose Touring body with the whale tail, or a 356, either with licensed authentic decals, and as near scale perfect as possible in Lexan, would be top of my list to build right now.

Thanks!

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Seller in Japan just accepted $125 for the Tamiya 911 RSR TT-02. The decision was made for me. More stoked on the body than the chassis at the moment.
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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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GreenBar0n wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:06 am Seller in Japan just accepted $125 for the Tamiya 911 RSR TT-02. The decision was made for me. More stoked on the body than the chassis at the moment.
Congratulations! The 911 body (so pretty) and wheels would have cost more than all the hop up parts in the "R" kit so, can always add those while you're building your Dead Pool 'Vette, and Bandit Trans Am, and Halsey Tribute, and... :lol:

Oh, also... Littohot in HK makes a 356 body that'd fit your M06 for $30 with $12 shipping:
https://www.littohot.com/products/1-10-lexan-clear-rc-car-body-shell-for-mini-356-body-210mm
Or their eBay store, $53 with free shipping:
www.ebay.com/itm/275661696218

Dunno anyone making a Slant nose 930... except for the Kyosho 4252. Not a touring car but, worth drooling over none the less. :D

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Dangeruss wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 6:38 am
GreenBar0n wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:06 am Seller in Japan just accepted $125 for the Tamiya 911 RSR TT-02. The decision was made for me. More stoked on the body than the chassis at the moment.
Congratulations! The 911 body (so pretty) and wheels would have cost more than all the hop up parts in the "R" kit so, can always add those while you're building your Dead Pool 'Vette, and Bandit Trans Am, and Halsey Tribute, and... :lol:

Oh, also... Littohot in HK makes a 356 body that'd fit your M06 for $30 with $12 shipping:
https://www.littohot.com/products/1-10-lexan-clear-rc-car-body-shell-for-mini-356-body-210mm
Or their eBay store, $53 with free shipping:
www.ebay.com/itm/275661696218

Dunno anyone making a Slant nose 930... except for the Kyosho 4252. Not a touring car but, worth drooling over none the less. :D
Thanks! I'm an IT subcontractor and I work from home, so in between jobs I have the time to build; whether it was vintage guitar amp clones, or restoring early 70's Marantz stereo's, if I have to sit here, I like to be productive. That's the reason for so many RC models lately, that and I don't have any car payments, or gas budget, so I have a bit of disposable income.

I did see that 356, but the decals aren't right, that seems to be the current trend, making a body resemble an iconic car, and then dodging copyright and trademark with horribad decals. Tamiya, HPI, and Kyosho are the only bodies I like these days because of how correct to scale they are, and their proper decals; the knock offs are like this VW DC body, not great.
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The Kyosho 4252 is exactly the kind of RC models I'm looking for these days.
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Would paint it Forest Green though, and polish those Fuchs spokes:
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Re: 1/10 Scale On-Road - Chassis Options in 2024

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GreenBar0n wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:14 pm Thanks! I'm an IT subcontractor and I work from home, so in between jobs I have the time to build; whether it was vintage guitar amp clones, or restoring early 70's Marantz stereo's, if I have to sit here, I like to be productive. That's the reason for so many RC models lately, that and I don't have any car payments, or gas budget, so I have a bit of disposable income.

I did see that 356, but the decals aren't right, that seems to be the current trend, making a body resemble an iconic car, and then dodging copyright and trademark with horribad decals. Tamiya, HPI, and Kyosho are the only bodies I like these days because of how correct to scale they are, and their proper decals; the knock offs are like this VW DC body, not great.

The Kyosho 4252 is exactly the kind of RC models I'm looking for these days.
That's a gig I can dig. :D

Some of the aftermarket drift car bodies are really impressive, but I agree, when it comes to lexan done right, I don't think anyone can beat Tamiya or Kyosho.

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