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Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:41 pm
by coxbros1
I concur
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:05 am
by Biz73
That's funny. I think Tamiya needs to do it more like Kyosho and make their re-issues drivable.
I thought about getting an o-ring for the bottom gasket, but I hadn't even thought of making a channel for it to sit in. Great work.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:55 pm
by XLR8
coxbros wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:39 pm
Here is my opinion of this re released car after building it. It was my 1st car i raced in 1987 and i am not a fan if this one. The tires are terribly small, nothing like original. Rear shocks work awsome with my mod but do not fit look of original at all, way too tall. HATE shock towers. Rear motor gaurd doesnt look authentic, needs to be way darker. I am going to replace everything listed above with original stuff.
Kyosho needs to do more like tamiya with rere kits abd stay closer to original.
Well, the good news here is that vintage Ultima parts (i.e. motor guard, shocks, shock towers, tires, etc.) will fit the re-release.
From my limited experience with Tamiya products, if the original car had reliability or performance problems then the re-release will also have those same problems. Tamiya doesn't appear to be interested in improving their products. I challenge Tamiya fans out there to name an RC they manufacture that doesn't have some issues - weak diff, poor chassis design, persistent parts breakage, poor suspension geometry, etc. Many content providers on youtube that cover Tamiya speak at length about known problems. Maybe the crappy-ness of Tamiya cars is just part of the charm, I donno.
Okay, enough ranting. I need to get back to my Brat.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:12 pm
by TheDiamondOne
I get your point in a way, but we race modern cars, and we build these to run lightly and enjoy on the shelf. Those tires should be an option to buy if u are gonna race, not be in the kit. I mean, now if they rerelease the turbo ultima, there really is no point, its all in this car, with those huge rear shocks. Just miserable about it.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:31 pm
by Biz73
It's interesting how we all have different wants out of these re-issues. I've been building and driving Tamiya re-issues for the last 6 years. Over the last 2 years I branched out and tried a couple other brands. Now I want cars that have the old school look, but can drive decently. I couldn't afford any cars in the 80's, but if I had I would probably want cars that were true to the OG. There is little chance of any of my cars making it to a track, so I'm not worried about that. I would have liked the rear tires to be a more old school design, but I will see how these run at my local park before I decide to change them or not.
I'm sorry to hear you are not happy with yours. Hopefully you can get the vintage parts you need to get the car looking right for you.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:33 pm
by XLR8
I hadn't really thought about it before but it is interesting that Kyosho seems to prefer to supply modern tread/compound tires with their re-release kits while Tamiya prefers to supply original, or more period correct, tires.
Perhaps it's because Kyosho expects their cars to be run on a track while Tamiya's often just end up on the display shelf.
Either way, it's just an example of two manufacturers going down two slightly different paths. I'm okay with both of these approaches however it would be awesome if Kyosho would reproduce the original style tires. I'd have them on all my shelfers.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:53 pm
by TheDiamondOne
Good thing we have Marwan RC for those much needed tires. Wish kyosho would not do this and leave the decision to the end user. I appreciate both companies rereleases but tamiya gets my vote overall.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:33 pm
by EvolutionRevolution
XLR8 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:55 pm
From my limited experience with Tamiya products, if the original car had reliability or performance problems then the re-release will also have those same problems. Tamiya doesn't appear to be interested in improving their products. I challenge Tamiya fans out there to name an RC they manufacture that doesn't have some issues - weak diff, poor chassis design, persistent parts breakage, poor suspension geometry, etc. Many content providers on youtube that cover Tamiya speak at length about known problems. Maybe the crappy-ness of Tamiya cars is just part of the charm, I donno.
Okay, enough ranting. I need to get back to my Brat.
Tamiya F101, 102, 103 and Group C cars. Of course, there's very little that can be screwed up on those. Okay, F103 has the servo that needs to have one ear cut off and then double-sided to the chassis, and F101 and 102 have the damn tiewrap battery mounts. With the Group C you could complain about the realistic bodies that are quite fragile, but in general they're good.
Of course I'm biased because the Tamiya Mercedes C11 was my first Tamiya car...
Oh, greatest complaint about those four chassis: their limited suspension travel makes them really bad for off-road.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:46 pm
by Biz73
It's been awhile since I have updated this thread. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a way to run the esc wires. In the end I had to cut them and put on new bullet connectors. I f'n HATE soldering! I got the bullet connectors done on the esc, but the motor wires were a failure. I'll have to get someone else to deal with that crap. I just want to get this done so I can give it a run to see how it performs.
As far as the re-issue subject, you can buy tires for a Kyosho and have an updated drivetrain, or buy bearings and a pinion to have a Tamiya with the same issues they had back in the day. Is one better than the other? No, it just depends on what the owner is looking for. I'm just happy that both companies are bringing back old models for those of us that couldn't afford them back in the day.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:04 pm
by TheDiamondOne
Rere with og aluminum towers and shocks mawan oe tires, and NIB kyosho suoerstock 34 motor.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:42 am
by coxbros1
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:03 pm
by Biz73
Where did you get the tires?
All I have left is to place that monster on/off switch and glue the tires. I will try to get some finished pics soon.
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:16 pm
by GoMachV
Its an expensive way to go just to mount a switch but our Factory Works upper chassis also replicates the original styling and adds some strength
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:09 pm
by coxbros1
Biz73 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:03 pm
"Where did you get the tires?"
My brother mispelled some stuff...tires are from Marwan RC .....takes awhile to get but they always come in...nice products
Re: My Ultima 2019
Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:06 pm
by Biz73
GoMachV wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:16 pm
Its an expensive way to go just to mount a switch but our Factory Works upper chassis also replicates the original styling and adds some strength
That would be a great way to go, but it isn't in the budget right now
I'll have to servo tape it to the deck and take a notch out of the body for the switch to stick out.
Coxbros - Thanks I'll check out Marwan. Those tires are a lot better for the terrain I drive in.