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This is really cool. I hope Losi (or should I say Horizon) pays attention here and follows this trend. I won't keeps my hopes up but it's nice to dream.

Coelacanth wrote:I've never owned a Scorpion so I don't know what the weaknesses of the car were, but hopefully they would be addressed. The shocks & shock collars, easily bendable front shock tower and gearbox would probably all be weak links. If I were to buy one, I'd hope it would survive a reasonable modern electronics system.

I also hope it won't be ridiculously expensive...which it might be, if Kyosho indeed had to re-make all the molds, as the rumor was that all the molds were destroyed for their classics.

Scorpions were HORIBLE drivers! They were heavy, badly balanced, under sprung, the suspension introduced weird angles as it went up and down. The faster it went, the worse it got. Pretty sure a stock drive train from pinion to axle is a weak link in terms of adding power. However: they rank as one of the coolest designs ever,, and worthy of a small investment for sure.

Yes,already forgot how cool it looks. just loves watching it keep silent more than the as modern runner.

rccars4sal wrote:
Scorpions were HORIBLE drivers! They were heavy, badly balanced, under sprung, the suspension introduced weird angles as it went up and down. The faster it went, the worse it got. Pretty sure a stock drive train from pinion to axle is a weak link in terms of adding power. However: they rank as one of the coolest designs ever,, and worthy of a small investment for sure.

Heavy ??
Racers all took the tub off and just made up a plate, so you could get the cars down to under 3lbs easy.
Much lighter than Gold Tubs !
I totally agree with the rest of your comments
I was tempted to buy a 5th scale HPI Baja just because it looks so much like the Scorpion

stulec52 wrote: I was tempted to buy a 5th scale HPI Baja just because it looks so much like the Scorpion

the Kogawa touch - Scorpion, ultima, Baja5B - looking the real thing!!!

rccars4sal wrote:

Coelacanth wrote:I've never owned a Scorpion so I don't know what the weaknesses of the car were, but hopefully they would be addressed. The shocks & shock collars, easily bendable front shock tower and gearbox would probably all be weak links. If I were to buy one, I'd hope it would survive a reasonable modern electronics system.

I also hope it won't be ridiculously expensive...which it might be, if Kyosho indeed had to re-make all the molds, as the rumor was that all the molds were destroyed for their classics.

Scorpions were HORIBLE drivers! They were heavy, badly balanced, under sprung, the suspension introduced weird angles as it went up and down. The faster it went, the worse it got. Pretty sure a stock drive train from pinion to axle is a weak link in terms of adding power. However: they rank as one of the coolest designs ever,, and worthy of a small investment for sure.

So not much worse that Tamiya's Hornet and Grasshopper, then?

rccars4sal wrote:

Coelacanth wrote:I've never owned a Scorpion so I don't know what the weaknesses of the car were, but hopefully they would be addressed. The shocks & shock collars, easily bendable front shock tower and gearbox would probably all be weak links. If I were to buy one, I'd hope it would survive a reasonable modern electronics system.

I also hope it won't be ridiculously expensive...which it might be, if Kyosho indeed had to re-make all the molds, as the rumor was that all the molds were destroyed for their classics.

Scorpions were HORIBLE drivers! They were heavy, badly balanced, under sprung, the suspension introduced weird angles as it went up and down. The faster it went, the worse it got. Pretty sure a stock drive train from pinion to axle is a weak link in terms of adding power. However: they rank as one of the coolest designs ever,, and worthy of a small investment for sure.

I remember pretty much ALL the popular cars available at that time were poor drivers. I just did a search on the history and remember, the Scorpion was out about a year before The Frog, and we all know how superbly THAT car handled. What was the Scorpion's competition back in 1982? The RC10 didn't even come out until 2 years after the Scorpion, I think. So perhaps the Scorpion did pretty well for its time.

Yes, the Scorpion was the car to have for a short period between the SRB and RC10 (1983-84)

Coelacanth wrote: What was the Scorpion's competition back in 1982?

The Scorpions only competition was heavily modified Rough Riders and Super Champs, a box stock Scorpion could easily beat them and nothing could touch them until the RC10 appeared, even then over here racing on grass with 1200mah batteries it took a while for the race Scorpions to be caught up by the overweight RC10s. When the Scorpions first appeared it was an amazing sight, after modified SRBs bouncing around the track suddenly we had a buggy that would glide over grass while the wheels fluttered up and down over the ground, with so much better traction.
The gearbox was pretty indestructible, with the 24dp (yes, 24dp!) gear teeth and I had a Thorp ball diff in mine which meant the whole gearbox was bulletproof, the only downside was the standard choice of two gear ratios but that was soon fixed with the motor mount holes filed out to a pair of slots.

I still have my old racer.
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=5020&id=297

RC10resto wrote:and just last year at RCX, a nice man in the Kyosho booth said "no re-releases, at Kyosho we look forward not backward"

hmmm, reminds me of several people at AE back in 2009 that said never on a re-re

Maybe I need to start collecting money, at least I already know they will re-release that

Kyosho said the same to me at RCX

What Terry said is pretty much what I thought. The Scorpion was probably pretty kick-ass for it's time. You can't compare a vintage Scorpion to a modern buggy any more than you could compare Pac-Man or Asteroids to a modern computer game...but you could certainly argue that those old computer games had every bit as much "play value", if not more, than a modern computer game with the abundance of graphical eye candy.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All my Scorpions will be worthless ! DAMN! They should only do the Turbo Scorpion. I am sure they won't use the very brittle cast aluminum. OMG this changes everything!


WHAT'S NEXT THE OPTIMA!

DAMMIT KYOSHO!

RC

I would think Kyosho would make some small changes to it, the plastics used as well as the aluminum and I hope the change the one thing it needs most A GEAR BOX!

Put a kick ass motor in it and drive the hell out of it.

RC

KyoshoScorpionKid wrote:WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All my Scorpions will be worthless ! DAMN! They should only do the Turbo Scorpion. I am sure they won't use the very brittle cast aluminum. OMG this changes everything!


WHAT'S NEXT THE OPTIMA!

DAMMIT KYOSHO!

RC

My thoughts exactly. I'm tired of collecting all sort of expensive cars and parts only to make them worth 1/4 what I paid because they rerelease them.

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