1974 Datsun 260z project (updated 9/17!)

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Re: my life size tamiya rally (1/30)

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Picked up some home made coil overs today that someone got from a "racer" but he gave no other info.
Homemade coilovers....
-shock bodies shortened to have more usable travel when lowered.
-uses shorter mr2? or vw? Oil dampen strut inserts
-threaded shock bodies, not aluminum, fine thread
-dual aluminum shock collars (I had to order two spanner wrenches, the pin size is 5mm)
-custom? shock cap with multiple threaded camber adjustment holes (1'' thick aluminum)
-pillow ball bushing inside the shock cap held in by a circlip
-yellow and blue 2.5'' springs unknown rate, hardly any paint left on them
-steel brake lines in rear
-extra long wheel studs
-custom swiss cheesed rear dust shield
-quick steering knuckles
-extra rear brakes
-extra front rotors.

fine thread shock bodies and pillow ball bushings...
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threaded camber adjustment holes...
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extra long wheel studs...
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swiss cheese..
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Popped one the coilovers open. I was surprised to see it was filled with oil and had an O ring seal. I was expecting a gas strut. This is a good thing right? I think I can change the oil weight and tune just like rc car shocks. I have no idea where to get duplicates I only have one front one rear at the moment. My strut tubes were cut and welded back together a custom length.
front is 13'', rear is 15.5''.
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Started taking one apart... there are holes on the bottom kind of like shock piston holes on a rc car.
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I have to do some more research on these before I can put them on. Let me know what you guys think.

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Pricey, but look at ArizonaZcar.com they make lots of race application suspension parts. I would not trust old ass used parts on my cars, especially important bits like the suspension

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Thanks, but I like my old ass used parts. :)
Personally, I would pick my custom machined blood-sweat-tears-went-into-it period correct home made coil overs over any store bought set. A lot of the parts on my car are vintage period correct conversation pieces. No offense, I just love a rarity.
I would have loved to meet the person who made them and shake his/her hand.
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Slap a sticker, Post-it note, or piece of paper on my A-frame. Send me somethign to slap on my A-frame and I will donate 75 cents to rc10talk each piece I get. It could be your autgraph on a piece of paper whatever you want my friend drew a bearded lady on it. For paper I will paste it on there all over with clear glue or something I've seen something like that before. Eventually it would be painted with stickers and names all over is my vision. Not sure what color to paint it yet for the background color- it already has some autographs on it I have to mask off before painting, most are on the primer two friends signed right over the rust. I'm excited about this so send me a pm for my address if you want to honor me with your well wishings. Thanks!

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Update! I got in contact with seller of the coilovers, and he had the 4th strut and a few hard to find bits. I've cleaned the threads of the coilover using a wire brush, some of the threads had thread damage in some tiny spots maybe from being tossed around in the garage... I used some emery paper and carefully sanded the thread where needed in order for the locking collars to pass, its smooth turning now.

Question! Since most of the coilovers aren't made of aluminum (except the lock collars, and camber plates), I noticed there is rust- even in the thread I had to use a razor blade to clean them up. Is it possible to paint them or do something to help prevent rust a bit? What kind of paint? I don't have a lot of money, a guy is selling a couple gallons of bright yellow epoxy paint will that work? Oh, is there a paint that doesn't get broken down by brake fluid?

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Re: my life size tamiya rally (8/1)

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POR-15 is a very popular product for helping to prevent rust. Brake fluid will eventually break it down though just like anything else.

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Thanks Lowgear, I will look into that, I guess that brake fluid eats up everything, it took the paint right off my springs! I searched for some documentation on my Crown Draw-thru turbo conversion kit, with the help of fellow Z car enthusiast I was able to get these copies. Mine is the turbo kit for the 240z/260z... The last picture is part of a April 1972 Road & Track article, anyone have a copy :mrgreen:

Advertisement circa 1970's
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Advertisement circa 1980's, with a turbo conversion using Fuel Injection now!
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April, 1972 Road & Track
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What I have...
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4/29
For my birthday My dad, brother, and I went to a Z car show in Orange, CA.
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Custom sunroof
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Corvette motor
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This is the same set up they used in the movie and cartoon "Wangan Midnight" Triple carb turbo.
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Triple carbs (actually individual throttle body fuel injection) yaaay! :D
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more triple carbs... :)
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even more triple carbs... :(
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gutted and caged
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Reflection... after seeing soo many many triple carb set ups it kind of disgusted me to the point that I want to sell my triples. It motivated me to continue my efforts with the Crown draw thru turbo kit. I did not see any draw thru turbo cars there. Nor any rally inspired cars. I would say this experience focused me more toward my goals, and appreciate that I have something unique in the Crown turbo kit, it may not be the BEST way to turbo a car, but it is certainly rarely seen.
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5/19
I grabbed my dial calipers and took a visit over to Rainbow Bolt Company in Riverside, CA to get some missing hardware for installing the rear coilovers.
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I needed...
(2) flanged bronze bushings 8mm length, 12mm ID, 16mm OD, 19mm flange (weird one-off size!!)
(4) 12mm inner diameter jam nuts (wasn't sure the thread)
They gave me the four jam nuts for free as "samples", AWESOME! I love that place I will go there anytime I need a nut/bolt, the service was great, being the end of the day at that! The closest spec flanged bushing I could find was sourced from amazon.
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The results... now the pillowball bearing can articulate as much as it was designed to!
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Now for some silly/impractical wheel fitment photos...
Certainly not practical, but for static "garage pet" applications its ideal. I still need to fine tune it for actual driving. For rally style I can adjust them for more ride height.
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Bonus...
I picked up the April 1972 Road & Track magazine from ebay with the full article on the Crown draw thru turbo kit and period correct mods! I might frame and hang the article along with some copies of the advertisements (don't have the real ones). I'm not quite at the point of putting up "posters"... but some framed pertinent documents of my project would be kinda cool.
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http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3869221/1981-holden-torana

Here is some photos of a 1:1 scalextric holden lx Torana group c marlboro race car. I had it for about a year along with a few other toys including a hayabusa. Briefly had a 280zx many years ago. Many many years ahead of its time

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That looks great! I could tell a lot of hardwork went into that.

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5/21 Went to Harbor Freight Tools today and got a 1 ton chain hoist. Its the same ones they use at the junkyard so I'm familiar with this one. Its not the new old stock Futaba "Speed" hoist from the movie (200 bucks!) but it will do the job, and it was only 44.99 plus I had a 20.00 gift card and a 20% off coupon. I also picked up a 1 ton lifting sling. Check it out! Makes my garage have a serious/old school look.
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I used a velcro strap to hang the chain off to the side so it wont hit my car.
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Delivery of my engine
All set up! Sweating bullets hoping my A-frame will hold and not damage my friends truck.
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Doing it!
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The ultimate test! My engine is 1 inch off the ground, A-frame is holding! Sweet! Although, it still scares me and I will not work directly under it with load. One day I want to get it reinforced/rewelded for peace of mind!
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Rolled it behind my car to be installed another day. Stripping it down to the block and head. Selling or trading as much as I can off of it, my friend already picked off the factory AC.
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Thats all for now. Thanks for letting me share!

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5/24
Early Z cars came with aluminum brake drums, and now they are a highly sought after part. I noticed my coilovers came with cast iron drums, so I decided to put on my OEM early aluminum drums.

Cast iron brake drums~ 13.2lbs
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Aluminum brake drums~ 6.2lbs
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While fitting the aluminum drums I could not fit them over the custom extended wheel studs. I took a careful look at the cast iron drums and noticed they had been drilled out. Luckily, I had the exact size drill bit to make the holes bigger. The drill bit fit in the cast iron drums no problem, but on the aluminum drums it was barely snug in the hole, so I knew it was the right size. It took off just slight shavings.
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Success! I also cleaned the aluminum drums with a brush and Scotch-Brite pads. I am not worried about the drum wobbling because the hub has a lip to center the drum.
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I used a wire wheel and drill to clean the lug nuts. These lug nuts are special because the extended wheel studs can pass thru the end.
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Thats all for now. Thanks for letting me share!


Bonus
For fun, I found the original Craigslist photos and communication for some of my two most prized possessions. My custom coilovers and vintage Crown draw-thru turbo.

Me: Hello My name is Darren, I texted you about the coilovers a couple days ago. Can you tell me what all is included in the set and if it is ready to bolt on or requires welding? Let me know, I'm interested just saving up money! Thanks. You can text me too 951 505 9628. Pics if you've got them, if not its cool.
Seller: It is a complete set adjustable coilovers,ready to bolt on, came off a race car, has toyota 4 piston calipers if you want them for $100 extra,have a few people interested, so they are available today.

These two photos inspired me to drive 60+ miles to "check them out"... Duct tape covering the threaded bodies and not showing me what I want to see. I did not have enough money, so we worked a deal cash+trade, I traded my spare 4.11 rear diff.
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This add was poorly titled "Datsun Z turbo", had I searched only "240z" that day, I might've missed it. I called for this one, It was about 40+ miles drive. The seller also had a rc10 team car in his garage but I had no money to buy it. This kit I at one time traded for 1 complete set of triple weber carbs with intake, an extra intake (the old logo period correct intake I still have now) and 2 extra carbs. I kept in contact with the person and ended up buying it back months later, and by then the turbo had been taken apart.
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Some updates! Had a busy couple weeks.
I took a good look at my engine, and saw that it has the rare “Elephant oil cap”, which came out around 1974 and was not available in the USA, but was on Japanese/Aussie cars. The elephant was used as a symbol to commemorate successes in the East African Safari Rally. It reads “please pour Elephant fuel”.
Elephant oil cap on left (tiny elephant inside the Datsun logo at the top)
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5/02- Turbo mishap
I bought Chevy Corvair turbo on ebay. However since I am using the turbo upside down from its originally designed application the oil drain was on top rather than on bottom. This will not work. My Rajay turbo had 3 oil drain locations at 120* so the drain came out the bottom. So, I will maybe sell this turbo and rebuild my Rajay. I found a guy who would rebuild it for a reasonable 200 dollars.
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While I was looking for a turbo I drooled over this Weber side draft Carb and adapter that bolts on to the Corvair turbo. I bid but it sold way out of my price range.
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5/16
Got my wallet stolen. I contacted my CC company and they gave me back all the money, some of it is still being disputed. After I got my money back I felt really fortunate so I went on a spending spree of my own, having thought I had lost that money to thieves! That’s how I justified it anyway…

5/30- Misc parts
I bought some books on ebay from a guy named Lloyd… The seller threw in the orange service manual in for free. The cover reads “Lloyd, bring back as soon as possible, Steve”… I wonder if Steve wants his books back???
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I was in search of a turbo/intake coupler and found out that I can not use a coupler with silicone in it because fuel eats it, which is what most of them are now-a-days! I bought a special all rubber turbo/intake coupler from a Corvair website
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I also picked up a better used thermostat housing.
Old vs New
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While I was at it I picked up all the gaskets I would need to but the Crown turbo kit on. Including a NOS GM Chevy Corvair turbo exhaust inlet gasket.
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6/01 Turbo mock up

After I got the L26 engine I took off the stock carbs and exhaust manifold. I kept the rare fatter one year production n36 intake, rumored to have more flow and be able to give a 10hp increase from better air/fuel distribution. I bolted the Crown turbo kit on along with a stock 240z exhaust manifold that has been plugged with bungs and painted with VHT. I used the Chevy Corvair turbo from ebay for mock up, so I could put all the correct bolts in place. I organized all my Datsun bolts, which over the years I have accumulated a whole bunch from pulling parts at the junkyard.
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06/03 Junkyard adventures

I went to the junkyard with a friend who had the hot tip about a 1973 240z. I took off the valve cover and was pleasantly surprised to find a rebuilt head with thick rocker pads and even wear on all the rockers. Best of all it had an Americam 260* aftermarket cam! Sweet! I also took home a steering wheel and hid some extra aluminum rear drums with intact cooling fins that I may go back for.
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I sold the leather wrapped steering wheel on ebay.
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06/07- Extra rims
I visited the guy I bought my engine from and traded the AC compressor for two of my rims. These are dealer option rims circa 1974. They are 14x6.5 zero offset and they weigh 15lbs each. The lightest factory wheel made by Nissan was the 1980s 280zx 14x6 six spoke wheels weighing in at 13lbs. I'm pretty happy with my wheels because they seem to have a deeper dish than most I've seen.
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A couple hours later I sold my old head with the horrible valve tick to a guy who buys and rebuilds Datsun parts, and sells all kinds of parts for Datsuns. He has visited my house three times so far to buy my parts, and he comes in a nice Nissan Frontier that says “Datsun Parts LLC” on the side. Its really a flattering thing.

06/13- Adjustable control arms
Since I am trying to put a lot of my efforts into the Crown draw thru turbo conversion, I posted my triple Weber side draft carbs for sale on Craigslist. I was contacted by the machinist from Datsun Parts LLC. After making the Z parts, he got bit by the Z car bug and got his first Z car ever via trade… and is interested in trading me some of the parts he makes for my carbs. AWESOME! So, I went to the guys house and did a deal. I traded my Triple carbs, 300 dollars, and my stock rear suspension for… 4 springs, front adjustable control arms and tension rods, aluminum bump steer spacers, and a promise that I would get the first set of adjustable rear control arms he makes, after he designs them using my stock rear suspension (in a couple weeks). I went ahead and picked the gold anodized...
"MADE OF 6061 ALUMINUM ALL CNC MACHINE
OTHER PARTS MADE OUT OF STEEL
BLACK OXIDE AND CLEAR SINK TO PROTECT FROM RUST"

What they go for on Ebay...
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My parts....
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06/14 Another turbo kit!
One of the guys that contacted me about the carbs replied to my “wanted list” where I stated that I was looking for a bolt on turbo kit. I met with him today. He has been out of Z cars for over 15 years, he used to work at W&T (Wayne & Toms) which was a Z car specialty shop many years ago, it used to be adjacent to my favorite junkyard but is long gone. He said that he personally ran this set up using a O-ringed block and a multi layered steel head gasket which lasted until he crashed the car. He also said he can build me a roll cage. He suggested I run a metal head gasket and an O-ringed block. The concept is you cut a groove on the block deck and feed copper wire of the proper size so the wire sticks up just barely so that it bites into the headgasket and seals better.
Some pics of some O-ringed blocks using the DIY Isky Groove-o-matic….
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He brought the turbo kit to my house, which he said had been sitting in his mom’s garage for over 15 years. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it was a Crown draw thru turbo kit exactly like mine. He gave me all kinds of helpful info and little knick knacks that will help me with my project. And if you notice it has the Weber side draft carb and carb adapter I was trying to win on ebay just weeks before! Having an engine with the complete kit installed already in my garage surprised him, he got a kick out of that. He modified his kit with a larger turbo and a much better carb.
Crown draw thru turbo kit #1 (stock)
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Crown draw thru turbo kit #2 (modified)
-polished Crown turbo intake
-Rotomaster AR60 turbo w/ AN fitting steel braided oil dump hose
-Weber 45 dcoe 9 w/ polished Cannon intake carb adapter to fit any Chevy Corvair turbo
-early 240z exhaust manifold, bunged
-polished N36 intakes
-Rare European balance tube (brake booster hose comes out the side)
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6/15- New springs
I installed the front springs I got in the trade deal. When I took off the suspension I saw that the bolt I was using to thread in thru the top were a bit too long and digging into the top hat and that’s when I found out they are aluminum! Sweet! I thought they were polyurethane. I cleaned them and put grease on the needle bearings, as well as sanded down the bolt ends for clearance.
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When I was disassembling the passenger side coilover, somehow the the camber plate/shock cap got rusted fixed on the top of the shock shaft (I must've been tired and put it back together a little wet after I cleaned them. It being late and me being super tired I hit the top of the shock shaft with a hammer and little by little it came free. Well, that was a bad idea because the top of the shock shaft got smashed just enough to damage the top one or two threads and I could not thread on the jam nut!! My solution was to remove all the damaged thread with some sand paper and then I was able to thread the jam nut on. It took some effort but it worked. phew!
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6/17
I got the rear springs on and also FINALLY got the stuck rear drum off from rear passenger side. I had to put a block of wood on the drum at 6'o clock and hit with a 5lb hammer. I got it off and then put the OEM aluminum drum and wire wheeled lugnuts on!
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Pics of front control arm installation coming soon.
Pics of rear control arm design coming soon.
Thats it for now! Thanks for letting me share!

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