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Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:30 pm
by Lowgear
Dadio wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:41 pm
Thanks!
You're right about that.
The design is only in my head at the moment. I was thinking about printing a hub that fastens to the back face of the ring gear.
...even thought about designing the hub to resemble a torque converter.
I'm trying to cram a motor (probably a 380 to save space) and some gear reduction into a 1:10 scale v8 engine block and automatic transmission housing. Space is very limited so using a ring gear with internal teeth places the motor and output shaft centerlines in closer proximity.
You may already know this, but if not... RC4WD sells 1:10 scale V8 engines that take 540 motors, and corresponding 10.1:1 gear ratio transmissions.
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-110-V8-Scale-Engine_p_4175.html
Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:47 pm
by XLR8
Lowgear wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 6:30 pm
Dadio wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:41 pm
Thanks!
You're right about that.
The design is only in my head at the moment. I was thinking about printing a hub that fastens to the back face of the ring gear.
...even thought about designing the hub to resemble a torque converter.
I'm trying to cram a motor (probably a 380 to save space) and some gear reduction into a 1:10 scale v8 engine block and automatic transmission housing. Space is very limited so using a ring gear with internal teeth places the motor and output shaft centerlines in closer proximity.
You may already know this, but if not... RC4WD sells 1:10 scale V8 engines that take 540 motors, and corresponding 10.1:1 gear ratio transmissions.
https://store.rc4wd.com/RC4WD-110-V8-Scale-Engine_p_4175.html
Thanks.
Yes their all aluminum Chevy small block V8 and transmission are pretty amazing pieces.
I'm building a Ford F100 replica with a 390 but I could still use their transmission.
It doesn't need to be precise but I'd like FDR to be around 18:1. The axle I have is 2.67:1 so I'll need the transmission to be about 7:1. Again, FDR doesn't need to be precise but I don't want the truck to be fast. Okay Chevy fans, I know what you're thinking.

Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 12:18 am
by Lowgear
Built Ford tough with Chevy stuff!
But seriously that sounds really cool, and I don't believe I've seen anything done with a scale Ford engine before.

I'm a bit curious to see some pics when you get that far.
To add to the list there's
https://www.emachineshop.com/ as well but I don't know if they can do the gears you're after.
Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:04 am
by XLR8
Lowgear wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2025 12:18 am
Built Ford tough with Chevy stuff!
But seriously that sounds really cool, and I don't believe I've seen anything done with a scale Ford engine before.

I'm a bit curious to see some pics when you get that far.
To add to the list there's
https://www.emachineshop.com/ as well but I don't know if they can do the gears you're after.
Thanks for the link.
Here's what I've found on ebay. With shipping and tax, it's around $10 so easily fits my budget.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/266338963752?_skw=mini+planetary+gear+set&itmmeta=01JGN0HXHFDPNY1CQ95824ZE8S&hash=item3e030a1128:g:JA8AAOSwO71ktkbk&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKlq%2BLZtR0QX4QdC4Y38KdaGtef7EC5DFRmXApTIyyzdA9PoQ9URWq%2FT3JnHUUIa%2FzsYp1jTFv7SNq5Qx9PnubsS8LItOKv8nr5hEr6h3iZdawtPGKxDtHfNabWlhbLNxFJOTdxa0WxKoXr0vYDwij74H1G2vQz7uClp%2BIIc0LE%2BEci5Ife57jN97Z%2BQMMGSPPaXgbirXIbYdBzCbq6eEpmtHTnDPAIgAIKe5h7TLOApdVhFADtoosgWOfUmJou9btM%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR-rYx6CFZQ

At 22mm diameter, it's very small and will fit within the bell housing. The description tell us that total gear reduction is 45:1 ratio but that long case suggests that ratio is achieved with two or more planetary sets.

If it uses only two sets, then the ratio of each will be 6.7:1 and that's perfect for my build (6.7 x 2.67 = 17.9). I should be able to cut the case in half and use only one gear set.
Not sure if I will use the included motor or swap it for a 380 - I'll test it when it arrives.
Anyway, here's the "engine" I'm working with.
It's pretty close to an actual Ford FE (big block) and only requires some minor tweaking.

Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:39 pm
by XLR8
Well, the stepper motor finally arrive and the autopsy revealed a 3-stage planetary set. Each gear set is 3.56:1 (the cube root of 45.2) so I've gone ahead and modified the transmission to use only one gear set:
I needed to turn an input shaft, make a bearing carrier and a motor plate. The bearing carrier is printed because I didn't have metal bar stock large enough to turn this part.
Anyway, I'm using a 14 tooth motor pinion and 28 tooth spur gear for a 2:1 primary gear ratio. This will yield a 19:1 FDR (2 x 3.56 x 2.67) - perfect for my application.
I wasn't able to use the include stepper motor so I'm using a brushed Tamiya 380 motor instead.
It's close but everything fits inside the 1:10 scale C6 case and FE engine block.
It's just a work truck so I'm running a 2-barrel carb.

Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:18 pm
by Lowgear
That's awesome!

Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:23 pm
by jwscab
that's awesome!!!! perfect!!
Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:33 pm
by XLR8
Lowgear wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:18 pm
That's awesome!
Thank you sir.
The unit included steel gears and the mods were easy so I'll be using this method again on my next build:

Re: Laser cut metal gears?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:37 pm
by XLR8
jwscab wrote: ↑Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:23 pm
that's awesome!!!! perfect!!
High praise indeed from an accomplished engineer and metal working master.
Thank you Joe.
I thought you might like this.
Re: Laser cut metal gears and compact trans options
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:38 pm
by jwscab
That's the best part of the hobby to me!! A bunch of like minded people making stuff and building stuff
