SG Coyote time!

The place for all things TAG/SG.

Moderators: scr8p, klavy69

Post Reply
BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

SG Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

I have always loved the Coyote since I first saw it in the October 1987 issue of RCCA.

Image

Fast forward 30+ years..I bought some incomplete kits, a used car and various parts to finally build one..or two. :lol: I quickly ran into the problem of brand new suspension arms cracking around the pivot balls and that’s where this has sat for the past two years. Thankfully Dadio Designs made some 3D printed ones and now it’s on again!

Here is where it currently sits, stalled for 2 years..

Image

Notice the cracked arm.. also note that I used an extra front differential case in the rear so that the pinion/spur shaft is supported by 3 bearings instead of 2, which makes a big difference in setting up and smoothness of the rear diff.

Image

Some serious Dymond horsepower!

Image
-Brad

User avatar
1300GT
Super Member
Posts: 693
Joined: Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:58 pm
Location: Clare, Australia
Has thanked: 331 times
Been thanked: 272 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by 1300GT »

Interesting idea using a front diff housing on the rear.

Dadio certainly is a Godsend for Coyote owners. I see you've bought one of his gear covers.
Chris.

Toys.............they are!

User avatar
THEYTOOKMYTHUMB
Super Member
Posts: 6814
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:15 pm
Location: Evansville, IN
Has thanked: 2122 times
Been thanked: 1346 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by THEYTOOKMYTHUMB »

I always loved the way the motor mounts in this one. 8) Unrelated, but a great album.

"The world looks so much better through beer goggles: Enjoy today, you never know what tomorrow may bring."
Ken

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Image
-Brad

Dadio
Approved Member
Posts: 3870
Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:21 pm
Location: Guildford UK
Has thanked: 2287 times
Been thanked: 1994 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by Dadio »

She's looking fine :D totally minty, do you have the metal diff gears? If you're running it I'd soak the spur gear in water to rehydrate for a day or two. Mine looked good but turned to powder after a few runs. :cry:
If a jobs not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well.
A problem shared is a problem halved but an advantage shared is no advantage at all.

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Dadio wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 3:28 am She's looking fine :D totally minty, do you have the metal diff gears? If you're running it I'd soak the spur gear in water to rehydrate for a day or two. Mine looked good but turned to powder after a few runs. :cry:

Thanks for making this possible again, Dadio! The rear diff has all hardened steel gears. The front has hardened steel ring & pinion with plastic spider gears.

I am not going to run this one, but have parts to built a second runner and will definitely hydrate the gears!
-Brad

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Sorting out the suspension..

Anyone who has tried to build the Coyote knows how terrible and confusing the instructions are! And looking at other builds online may not help because you see a lot of different setups. I have built this every conceivable way to try and figure out what is going on and hopefully I can help some future builders.

The front suspension. This is where the confusion begins because of a huge mistake in the instructions. It tells you to install the upper arms with the “F” towards the rear..which is wrong! If you install it this way, you end up with negative caster angles, that is not desirable in any vehicle. Interesting though is if you ignore the text and follow the pics..it is correct.

Image

The wrong way..
Image

The correct way is to install the upper arms is with the “F” towards the front..makes sense, right? Then the lower arm is installed with the shorter/straighter leg towards the middle of the vehicle. This creates a nice positive caster angle and full suspension movement.

Image
Image
Image

If you flip the lower arm, it makes an extreme positive caster angle and restricts suspension movement.
Image

Another confusing aspect is that the shocks can be mounted in front of or behind the suspension arms. This is more of a tuning and aesthetic issue after the arms are correctly installed. I will show this later.
-Brad

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Rear suspension..

Compared to the front..the rear suspension is straight forward. The instructions show putting the “R” of the upper arms towards the rear and lower arms with the shock ball stud towards the rear. This is the standard, short wheelbase setup.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image

There is an alternate, long wheelbase version you can also build by simply switching the rear arms & upper mounts side to side. This is not mentioned in the instructions but the box specs give us a clue. The rear shocks also get moved to the front of the arms..Here is what that looks like.

Image

Image

Image

Image

Image
-Brad

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Shocks..

These Coyote shocks are basically a pogo stick with one o-ring that you ‘could’ put oil in..if you dare.

Image


The first thing I did is polish the shock shafts, then smoothed and contoured the pistons.

Image


Next was polishing the inside of the shock bodies to remove a rough finish and some scoring from manufacture.

Image

Image


Assembled using red Tamiya o-rings with an extra under the piston to shorten the shock slightly and maybe help with sealing.

Image

They operate smoothly now but won’t be getting filled.

Image
-Brad

Dadio
Approved Member
Posts: 3870
Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:21 pm
Location: Guildford UK
Has thanked: 2287 times
Been thanked: 1994 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by Dadio »

It's not just the shocks leaking , the angle at the top ball joint is acute and once you get just a little wear in the ball socket in the shock cap then they just pop off , I designed a slight angle into the top ball stud mount point and it works but it also moves the shock down slightly and put stress on the bottom arm , lovely car but the whole shock setup is under developed .
If a jobs not worth doing then its certainly not worth doing well.
A problem shared is a problem halved but an advantage shared is no advantage at all.

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Dadio wrote: Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:44 pm It's not just the shocks leaking , the angle at the top ball joint is acute and once you get just a little wear in the ball socket in the shock cap then they just pop off , I designed a slight angle into the top ball stud mount point and it works but it also moves the shock down slightly and put stress on the bottom arm , lovely car but the whole shock setup is under developed .
Yeah the ball stud shock mounting is odd.. I switched the ball studs around, putting the gold long neck ones on the arms due to the lower spring cup hitting the arm.
-Brad

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Finally getting this back on the workbench to install @Dadio’s double wheel bearing adapters, put on the front bumper and install a limiting spacer on the rear shocks because the dogbones are getting pulled out of the drive cups.

Image

Image

Stock design with the single 5x16x5mm bearing.
Image

Double bearing mod using two 5x10x3mm bearings…and some more appropriately sized washers..love those Losi A-6215 cad plated washers.
Image
-Brad

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

I decided to install the stock electronics and vintage radio gear in this thing. Even though I have done a few subtle mods/improvements, I still want to keep this looking like a box stock build. And when was the last time you saw a good pic of the stock mechanical speed controller properly installed in a Coyote? I couldn’t find one..

Image

Image


It wasn’t easy stuffing these electronics in…there’s little room and you have to be careful to keep everything away from the center driveshaft and resistors. I spliced in a switch harness to the BEC circuit to power the receiver and just did a shorty antenna that will fit under the body.

Image

Image

Image

You have to follow the instructions pretty closely too because there aren’t many other options. Also to note..there are two different styles of MSCs used on the Coyote, so you have to be careful to hook the motor wires up correctly..I had to install mine reversed from what the instructions showed.

Image
Image
Image

Building the battery pack is next..waiting for parts..
-Brad

BattleTrak
Super Member
Posts: 677
Joined: Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:33 pm
Location: Ill-Noise, USA
Has thanked: 946 times
Been thanked: 563 times

Re: SG Coyote time!

Post by BattleTrak »

Got some 1” clear heat shrink tubing and separated a nice looking vintage 1200SC stick battery pack to make the Coyote nunchaku style pack.

Image

Image

Image
-Brad

Post Reply

Create an account or sign in to join the discussion

You need to be a member in order to post a reply

Create an account

Not a member? register to join our community
Members can start their own topics & subscribe to topics
It’s free and only takes a minute

Register

Sign in

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post
  • First time build, long time fan of the RC10
    by kineqp » » in RC10 Buggy Forum
    24 Replies
    4364 Views
    Last post by mk-Zero
  • RC10, long time wanting, first time owning
    by Rizzo » » in RC10 Buggy Forum
    27 Replies
    2554 Views
    Last post by Bugle
  • Long time lurker 1st time poster
    by Lurker » » in RC10Talk Welcome Center
    3 Replies
    1105 Views
    Last post by Carknowledge101
  • Long time listener, first time caller
    by Patriiick » » in RC10Talk Welcome Center
    1 Replies
    913 Views
    Last post by Minisforever
  • My SG COYOTE...
    by prp » » in TAG/SG Forum
    18 Replies
    7762 Views
    Last post by Wazza22
  • SG Coyote
    by treystoys » » in TAG/SG Forum
    16 Replies
    3575 Views
    Last post by Nomadfish
  • SG Coyote
    by Momo5 » » in TAG/SG Forum
    7 Replies
    1541 Views
    Last post by prp
  • Coyote Rethink
    by Dadio » » in TAG/SG Forum
    13 Replies
    1079 Views
    Last post by Dadio

Return to “TAG/SG Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest